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Post by paz on Dec 27, 2023 19:26:15 GMT
One can only assume that your attitude towards this kind of behaviour means that it was either you or somebody you know . How is this for an idea …… let me know where you live , I’ll come round and break some of your furniture and when you whine I’ll say “ surely you can afford to pay for replacements ? “ Offering out threats after we've just gone and won away at Wimbledon. Missing the point again bud. Everyone was focusing on the seat rather than the win. Keep tapping away at your keyboard GGL Its not about one seat. We could receive a fine for the flair which would be a substantial fee, and one we could do without. And if we are seen to continue breaking other clubs items when traveling away, we could receive another large fine, or possibly an away fans ban for a few games, or yes, even points deducted. One seat may well be a small issue but if such things are repeated then most definitely it puts the club at risk of serious punishment. So best not do it. When the fans are out at games they are representing the club and therefore seen as the clubs responsibility. So if the club does get told off, then they need to start cracking the whip, which we would all rather did not become nessesery. Its a shame, as the fans were otherwise fantastic and made so much noise. We need more of that and less of the other.
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Post by davethegrave on Dec 27, 2023 19:56:02 GMT
Really we don't want these kind of "supporters". They need to grow up.
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Post by davethegrave on Dec 27, 2023 20:08:28 GMT
One can only assume that your attitude towards this kind of behaviour means that it was either you or somebody you know . How is this for an idea …… let me know where you live , I’ll come round and break some of your furniture and when you whine I’ll say “ surely you can afford to pay for replacements ? “ Offering out threats after we've just gone and won away at Wimbledon. Missing the point again bud. Everyone was focusing on the seat rather than the win. Keep tapping away at your keyboard GGL No - you're missing the point. Mindless violence has no place here. If you want to do this kind of thing go and support Millwall or Manchester United.
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Post by sufc1898 on Dec 27, 2023 22:11:43 GMT
finp180 - show some bloody respect. Using the word ‘mate’ or ‘bud’ to people who I doubt you know, on such a serious subject, does not sit well with me. I agree with an earlier post, that you may have been involved with this. If this is the case then, then I’ll ask you respectfully, do not to return to Gander Green Lane.
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Post by ambertaff on Dec 27, 2023 23:11:45 GMT
Offering out threats after we've just gone and won away at Wimbledon. Missing the point again bud. Everyone was focusing on the seat rather than the win. Keep tapping away at your keyboard GGL No - you're missing the point. Mindless violence has no place here. If you want to do this kind of thing go and support Millwall or Manchester United. Agree with your sentiments totally, Dave. But I think it's fair to note that the Millwall supporters who came here for the pre season friendly were a pretty decent bunch.
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Post by RobboAccounts on Dec 28, 2023 0:02:34 GMT
Sorry Finlay but you are taking this whole subject about a broken seat and a flare being thrown on to the playing surface as a joke which it is not.
In case supporters are unaware after every match each home club has to fill in a match events report and file this electronically with the EFL with 48 hours and the EFL monitors the behaviour of club fans at matches which includes ejections, pyrotechnics being thrown, damage to stadium fixtures & fittings, etc just as a few examples of the questions that have to be answered. In addition, every time that a pyrotechnic is thrown on to the pitch, the referee reports this to both The FA and the EFL and both clubs are required to provide detailed explanation of each respective club's observations and for the home club to answer how the pyro was allowed to get inside the ground - this obviously takes time and effort on the part of the Club Secretary and GSO. We saw first hand the bother that Crawley got into at the start of the season over pyro's which required them to step up bag checks, etc to prevent them from receiving a home one match behind closed doors ban and we are going a similar way if instances like yesterday are repeated as well as a substantial fine. Also the more times that pyrotechnics are thrown and seats damaged, the more higher risk that we will be seen to opposition clubs safety authority and local police constabularies which will mean a higher police presence in the away end and more robust scanning procedures for our suporters on entry to the stadium at away grounds.
I will reiterate like I have said in previous instances, letting off a pyrotechnic at a regulated place (football stadium, music venue or festival) or being in possession of a Pyrotechnic on the way to a regulated event without a reasonable excuse is a criminal offence which can result in prosecution and a 3 year football banning order if found guilty (banning orders can also be extended to accompanying parents or guardians of those under 18 who take part in these activities). Pyrotechnics burn at up to 2500 degrees celsius and Omar Bugiel was very lucky that the one thrown yesterday landed directly next to him, if he was another foot to his right he would have been directly hit by the pyrotechnic. Pyrotechnics smoke can also cause problems with those with respiratory conditions
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Post by timall on Dec 28, 2023 0:09:46 GMT
Thoughts and prayers go out to the seat 🙏 🙏 Regularly see teams getting points deductions for throwing a singular flare and breaking a singular seat. Feel free to be brave and come to my always open door office and let's discuss this in an adult way. Very happy to show you the letter from the FA and the correspondence from AFC Wimbledon. Alternatively, you can choose to remain an anonymous defender. Which do you think is a more appropriate action as a "supporter" of the club?
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Post by ADMIN on Dec 28, 2023 0:13:31 GMT
Was 27 seats that got trashed. This looks really poor on our club and not what we are about and as others have said leads to other implications as well. Hope those that were responsible take a long hard look at themselves and think of the consequences this has on the club both financially and our reputation. Support the team and the numbers we are getting now is amazing but please remember we have a history of being a really friendly club with amazing supporters so let's keep it that way. Good reputations are hard to earn but very easy to lose. We should be talking about the brilliant performance and result. Attachments:
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Post by sufc1898 on Dec 28, 2023 4:06:21 GMT
Do the club have a list of what seats were sold to what people? Might help track down the individuals involved?
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Post by markf on Dec 28, 2023 6:34:17 GMT
Unfortunately having info such as who was in what number seat is irrelevant as the kids just piled in at the back irrespective of where their seats were allocated. That's why there was a number empty seats dotted about.
I moved as I was stuck in the middle of them before the match but was able to sit lower down with no one either side of me (no change there).
Ironic that the pyrotechnic got in as I had to dump my metal flask in a bin as it was deemed unsafe in the hands of a vertically challenged 62 year old.
I have emailed AFCW about that (I was unaware of the extent of the vandalism that had occurred until Rob posted). The steward I had "words" with made me look like the most approachable guy on the planet.
From what I observed, everyone was patted down and searched to a reasonable degree before entry, so the smoke bomb must have been well hidden to get in.
The fumes from it were briefly problematic to me so anyone with asthma etc, would certainly have suffered.
Never understood why someone would waste money on them. What do they actually achieve?
We were all young once but these deliberate acts of damage go way too far.
As for finp, if he can be identified surely his posts on here that expose his mindset, alone should be enough for the club to censure in some way?
The younger element who endured Stockport away recently were brilliant so this must be a totally different lot to them. I make that statement so as not to tar all our youth with the same brush. I hope I am correct in doing so.
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Post by Amber Aleman on Dec 28, 2023 7:11:29 GMT
I can't take issue with anything posted above, but doubt that the perpetrators are users of this forum. Some of them may be members of the Sutton fans' Facebook group, and I'm pleased that the issue has been raised there too.
There may well be other social media platforms, favoured by younger fans, on which messages could be spread about the actual and possible consequences of this sort of behaviour.
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Post by sallycat on Dec 28, 2023 8:25:43 GMT
Are you condoning this pathetic action? of course not dave bud. But the overeaction of fans being negative when this is the most positive result of the season is really tinpot. In what way was i condoning it mate just stating a completely obvious fact I can't help but think you've only come here to get a reaction by saying the most inflammatory things you can think of. Well, you've got that, haven't you? And you're going to get more of it because it doesn't matter if this reaction is what you're looking for or not, the fact is that this happened and those of us who are genuine supporters of this club are not happy about it. Of course the results on the pitch are vitally important to the club and its fans. But true supporters can see there are other things that are important too, and believe it or not it's possible to care about more than one thing at a time. It doesn't matter how much you sing and shout, how much joy it gives you to see a win. If you're going to behave like this or not be bothered when others do, then you clearly have no love for the club itself. That's not support, it's tribalism. If you don't care about the financial or reputational consequences for SUFC and you're not bothered if people see us as Sutton that nasty little club whose fans smash up seats, then you are not a supporter of Sutton United, you're just someone who likes to watch football. And I am sure the club would rather not have those people's ticket money if they can save that and more on not paying for the damage these people cause.
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Post by paz on Dec 28, 2023 10:31:56 GMT
Was 27 seats that got trashed. This looks really poor on our club and not what we are about and as others have said leads to other implications as well. Hope those that were responsible take a long hard look at themselves and think of the consequences this has on the club both financially and our reputation. Support the team and the numbers we are getting now is amazing but please remember we have a history of being a really friendly club with amazing supporters so let's keep it that way. Good reputations are hard to earn but very easy to lose. We should be talking about the brilliant performance and result. Great, more money the club needs to dish out. Utter Morons. That looks like damage to the attachments as well which wont be a cheap repair job, and its not as if AFC Wimbledon are obliged to get the cheapest quote for it.
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Post by bailo on Dec 28, 2023 10:53:17 GMT
What a shame to see such a fantastic result (and, apparently, performance) tarnished by this mindless vandalism.
Would have loved to have made the game but my lot was the Mansfield match. Hopefully this result and effort can be backed up over the NY weekend. We won't get out of the bottom two but if we can get to within a win of doing so...well, that would change the picture for 2024 considerably. Hopefully Salford's dismal run continues...
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Post by ggl on Dec 28, 2023 13:11:38 GMT
I can't take issue with anything posted above, but doubt that the perpetrators are users of this forum. Some of them may be members of the Sutton fans' Facebook group, and I'm pleased that the issue has been raised there too. There may well be other social media platforms, favoured by younger fans, on which messages could be spread about the actual and possible consequences of this sort of behaviour. Perhaps a letter to all local primary schools for their children to behave when at our matches 😬
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