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Post by Del on Feb 11, 2024 19:14:49 GMT
We have a much better pitch now than in all the years i have watched the club apart maybe from over use this season in a very wet winter.
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Post by Del on Feb 11, 2024 19:24:14 GMT
Whilst I agree with Del that we still have 15 games to go and so still plenty to play for I am also of the mindset that we are going down unfortunately . This is not me throwing in the towel but like so many posters on our forum just being realistic whilst hoping for a miracle . I accepted we were going down back in November and posted as such and I have seen very little since to alter that view . For me the big question is can we stay in the NL next season ? There are many very good sides there with big budgets and we will do good not to fall straight through that division too , no matter who is in charge . Again , this this not me throwing in the towel but just being realistic . One further point / question I would ask is will we be able to afford to replace our pitch again so that it can again become a revenue source ? Looking at the present teams in the National league there are very few good sides with big budgets so there is no reason to believe we would not be competitive. Notts County ,Wrexham and Chesterfield will be gone.
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Post by markf on Feb 14, 2024 21:50:28 GMT
Apparently we and Morecambe have been reported for failing to control players following an incident around half time.
Other than Led Angol and one of their lot getting booked can anyone else recall anything untoward happening?
These refs are just effing mad.
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Post by suttonpodcast on Feb 14, 2024 23:30:20 GMT
Apparently we and Morecambe have been reported for failing to control players following an incident around half time. Other than Led Angol and one of their lot getting booked can anyone else recall anything untoward happening? These refs are just effing mad. Harsh, but when the FK was given just outside area both sets of players surrounded ref. Then when that almost got settled down, Lee and one of them had a moment and all players got in refs face again. Had he given the actual penalty, it would have only been Morecambe players in his face. As I said, harsh but watched it back on iFollow and only bit it could be (imo obviously)
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Post by markf on Feb 15, 2024 9:49:56 GMT
All he had to do was show a yellow card to one from each team and that would have dissipated the problem. He was weak and generally useless. Par for the course in L2.
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Post by Amber Aleman on Feb 21, 2024 16:21:32 GMT
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Post by paz on Feb 21, 2024 17:22:44 GMT
I did not recall seeing anything untoward or over the top. I am starting to have enough of Refs after this season. I dislike VAR but am now thinking it should come in full steam ahead, replacing the refs altogether.
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Post by Andy K on Feb 23, 2024 12:52:49 GMT
I did not recall seeing anything untoward or over the top. I am starting to have enough of Refs after this season. I dislike VAR but am now thinking it should come in full steam ahead, replacing the refs altogether. Erm who makes the decisions via VAR?
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Post by brian54 on Feb 23, 2024 12:57:04 GMT
A1 tech?
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Post by paz on Feb 23, 2024 13:02:40 GMT
I did not recall seeing anything untoward or over the top. I am starting to have enough of Refs after this season. I dislike VAR but am now thinking it should come in full steam ahead, replacing the refs altogether. Erm who makes the decisions via VAR? As I understand it, a few bods in an office. In None League, I imagine it would be the side of the pitch. While it's not perfect, anything would be better than what we have had this season. I would also not be surprised if there is corruption afoot, and backhanders going on, it's happened in other countries so I can't see why not here. VAR is not perfect and does ruin parts of the game, but at least harder to overlook stone wall decisions.
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Post by Andy K on Feb 23, 2024 15:46:45 GMT
Erm who makes the decisions via VAR? As I understand it, a few bods in an office. In None League, I imagine it would be the side of the pitch. While it's not perfect, anything would be better than what we have had this season. I would also not be surprised if there is corruption afoot, and backhanders going on, it's happened in other countries so I can't see why not here. VAR is not perfect and does ruin parts of the game, but at least harder to overlook stone wall decisions. You realise that those "bods in an office" are referees? Hence the name, Video Assistant Referees. I would agree that some of the officiating has been sh*t this season. You only need to look at the missed handball v Wrexham to see that. I can't and won't agree on your point about corruption. For that to have any impact, not only would you have to bribe a lot of officials, you'd actually have to find a reason for it happening (like unusual betting on a particular game or a club bribing referees to favour them). All bribes in any walk of life happen to benefit the briber. And of course you'd have to have evidence for it. Feel free to suggest why there is corruption and bribery in League Two against Sutton United.
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Post by paz on Feb 24, 2024 23:12:36 GMT
As I understand it, a few bods in an office. In None League, I imagine it would be the side of the pitch. While it's not perfect, anything would be better than what we have had this season. I would also not be surprised if there is corruption afoot, and backhanders going on, it's happened in other countries so I can't see why not here. VAR is not perfect and does ruin parts of the game, but at least harder to overlook stone wall decisions. You realise that those "bods in an office" are referees? Hence the name, Video Assistant Referees. I would agree that some of the officiating has been sh*t this season. You only need to look at the missed handball v Wrexham to see that. I can't and won't agree on your point about corruption. For that to have any impact, not only would you have to bribe a lot of officials, you'd actually have to find a reason for it happening (like unusual betting on a particular game or a club bribing referees to favour them). All bribes in any walk of life happen to benefit the briber. And of course you'd have to have evidence for it. Feel free to suggest why there is corruption and bribery in League Two against Sutton United. Yes, but referees who are not refereeing the game but are watching it on a video where they can watch slow motion and different angles. And have way less excuses for missing big moments. As for bribery, I have not made the accusation even though I feel free to. But there is a saying, money talks and bullsheet walks. With regards to what reason? if it ever went on which would not suprise me in the least, I imagine we could be targeted as an insurance, to occupy a religation spot, as a fail safe should another team run into difficulties. Likewise, any play off competitors, so on. I imagine having influence over several refs wields great advantage, which is why such corruption has been discovered in other leagues before. But of course it would be wrong to make an outright accusation without evidence. However, we all have a right to be suspicious and to recognise that unfortunately where millions of pounds is invested and earned, corruption can easily follow.. sadly. I am of the view such things go on far more than many might think.
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Post by kpinwp on Feb 25, 2024 0:18:52 GMT
You realise that those "bods in an office" are referees? Hence the name, Video Assistant Referees. I would agree that some of the officiating has been sh*t this season. You only need to look at the missed handball v Wrexham to see that. I can't and won't agree on your point about corruption. For that to have any impact, not only would you have to bribe a lot of officials, you'd actually have to find a reason for it happening (like unusual betting on a particular game or a club bribing referees to favour them). All bribes in any walk of life happen to benefit the briber. And of course you'd have to have evidence for it. Feel free to suggest why there is corruption and bribery in League Two against Sutton United. Yes, but referees who are not refereeing the game but are watching it on a video where they can watch slow motion and different angles. And have way less excuses for missing big moments. As for bribery, I have not made the accusation even though I feel free to. But there is a saying, money talks and bullsheet walks. With regards to what reason? if it ever went on which would not suprise me in the least, I imagine we could be targeted as an insurance, to occupy a religation spot, as a fail safe should another team run into difficulties. Likewise, any play off competitors, so on. I imagine having influence over several refs wields great advantage, which is why such corruption has been discovered in other leagues before. But of course it would be wrong to make an outright accusation without evidence. However, we all have a right to be suspicious and to recognise that unfortunately where millions of pounds is invested and earned, corruption can easily follow.. sadly. I am of the view such things go on far more than many might think. So are you saying it (bribery) does go on, or are you saying that it doesn't? You seem to be saying 'I'm not saying that it goes on, but I reckon that it does'. So which, in your opinion, is it? Happening, or not happening? The 'money talks, bs walks' saying is best known as a quote from Spinal Tap. Maybe best left in that context.
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Post by paz on Feb 25, 2024 11:13:49 GMT
Yes, but referees who are not refereeing the game but are watching it on a video where they can watch slow motion and different angles. And have way less excuses for missing big moments. As for bribery, I have not made the accusation even though I feel free to. But there is a saying, money talks and bullsheet walks. With regards to what reason? if it ever went on which would not suprise me in the least, I imagine we could be targeted as an insurance, to occupy a religation spot, as a fail safe should another team run into difficulties. Likewise, any play off competitors, so on. I imagine having influence over several refs wields great advantage, which is why such corruption has been discovered in other leagues before. But of course it would be wrong to make an outright accusation without evidence. However, we all have a right to be suspicious and to recognise that unfortunately where millions of pounds is invested and earned, corruption can easily follow.. sadly. I am of the view such things go on far more than many might think. So are you saying it (bribery) does go on, or are you saying that it doesn't? You seem to be saying 'I'm not saying that it goes on, but I reckon that it does'. So which, in your opinion, is it? Happening, or not happening? The 'money talks, bs walks' saying is best known as a quote from Spinal Tap. Maybe best left in that context. Thought I already said it. I cant say it is going on as I have no evidence of foul play. I am saying that historically corrupt referring has gone on in other foreign leagues, so it has happend. And I am saying it would not surprise me if in this country it has or is going on. Particularly given the pure incompitence of referring we are facing most weeks. The idea of not being surprised at the possibility of something does not mean you are making an accusation of it. For example, If in a few years time panorama release a documentary about some corrupt british refs, I would have no involvement or knowledge of the details in the documentary, But I am saying its revelations would not shock me. As for the very wise and accurate term "money talks and bs walks", it certainly was not coined by spinal tap, it was from way before then and was a rhyming elaboration of the very old term "money talks" and was coined in America in the 60s from my research...
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