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Post by localboy86 on May 2, 2024 6:48:30 GMT
Looks like we’ll be participating in a new competition next season - top 16 National League clubs and 16 u-21 clubs from the Premier League, similar idea to the EFL Trophy by all accounts. Journo Matt Slater seems to be in the know.. x.com/mjshrimper/status/1785607622067941506?s=46 |
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Post by since62 on May 2, 2024 7:20:21 GMT
At least now it is 5 subs from 7. On above As a relegated club will we automatically one of the top 16 sides?
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Post by oohaah on May 2, 2024 12:08:29 GMT
One thing is certain - It won't be called "The National League Trophy"
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Post by markf on May 2, 2024 14:19:26 GMT
As has been mentioned on Twitter, this competition is probably why the NL has supported the FA (i.e. PL) stance on FA Cup replays.
Firstly, it is elitist as it only includes the top 16 from the NL. Secondly, at this level there is already the FA Trophy, why the hell do we need another competition?
Apparently, in a recent radio interview, Steve Morison stated that some of the decisions re the retained list was based on the need for a smaller squad (mainly because there was only 5 subs allowed in the NL - that has been upped to 7 now) add that to this new competition and it could be argued he may need even bigger! Of course, he could use some of the academy players against the PL youngsters (if the NL allow that).
Then there is the wear and tare on the pitch. That has suffered greatly since Palace came on board not helped by one of the wettest autumn/winter/spring on record. These extra matches are hardly going to help.
The PL managers keep harping on about their players welfare. Too many matches, etc. What will this do for player welfare at NL level?
SUFC made a statement against the FA Cup replay decision surely supporting this new comp would negate that stance?
I suppose the only positive from this could be a couple of decent attendances if the group draw is kind but that's not guaranteed.
I just don't understand the rationale behind it other than it may assuage some egos in the NL set up.
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Post by Stewart on May 2, 2024 14:29:13 GMT
As has been mentioned on Twitter, this competition is probably why the NL has supported the FA (i.e. PL) stance on FA Cup replays. Firstly, it is elitist as it only includes the top 16 from the NL. Secondly, at this level there is already the FA Trophy, why the hell do we need another competition?
Apparently, in a recent radio interview, Steve Morison stated that some of the decisions re the retained list was based on the need for a smaller squad (mainly because there was only 5 subs allowed in the NL - that has been upped to 7 now) add that to this new competition and it could be argued he may need even bigger! Of course, he could use some of the academy players against the PL youngsters (if the NL allow that). Then there is the wear and tare on the pitch. That has suffered greatly since Palace came on board not helped by one of the wettest autumn/winter/spring on record. These extra matches are hardly going to help. The PL managers keep harping on about their players welfare. Too many matches, etc. What will this do for player welfare at NL level? SUFC made a statement against the FA Cup replay decision surely supporting this new comp would negate that stance? I suppose the only positive from this could be a couple of decent attendances if the group draw is kind but that's not guaranteed. I just don't understand the rationale behind it other than it may assuage some egos in the NL set up. We can add players during the season in the NL unlike the ELF, or have I got that wrong? |
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Post by markf on May 2, 2024 14:31:36 GMT
Yes but I doubt the club has a bottomless pit to finance that.
The players issue is only one of them anyway.
For me, if you support this you support the removal of FA Cup replays from the calendar. And I certainly don't.
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Post by garethl on May 2, 2024 15:45:04 GMT
Just more bribe money from the PL. Throw us some shrapnel and get what they want. NL should have been a lot firmer and told them where to go. Not everything should be about money. At a time when the PL is actually coming under a bit of supporter led pressure to sort out fairer distribution it’s extremely disappointing to say the least. I’d prefer our club boycotted but don’t know the extent of what that the fall out would be. And presumably we need any £ we can get, which is why the PL gets its way. No extra games unless it is for the convenience of their player hoarding.
Additionally if the NL support scrapping FA Cup games against membership wishes and perhaps added this without dialogue they are due some sort of no confidence vote, the league needs a new leadership. What’s in it for the executive of the league (if that’s the right terminology) to take this position without support from the clubs? I don’t know whether they put the new comp to the clubs but the replay issue seems to go directly against what most clubs want.
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Post by Amber Aleman on May 2, 2024 16:15:19 GMT
If this mooted new competition does go ahead, I doubt that I'll attend the games.
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Post by since62 on May 2, 2024 16:28:18 GMT
I presume the Premier league will put up appearance and prize money equivalent to efl trophy / f a cup. Offer one of their top stadiums for final for free etc etc. Gate money hardly likely to cover costs.
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Post by sallycat on May 2, 2024 21:06:59 GMT
Yes but I doubt the club has a bottomless pit to finance that. The players issue is only one of them anyway. For me, if you support this you support the removal of FA Cup replays from the calendar. And I certainly don't. Trouble is, will the club have any choice other than to "support" this competition by participating in it? Might be a matter of which we can afford to do: play in it or not. |
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Post by markf on May 3, 2024 5:16:46 GMT
If the NL insist a club enters under their rules then, no, there probably isn't but a club can register its disapproval and reasons why.
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Post by localboy86 on Jul 7, 2024 10:37:24 GMT
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Post by paz on Jul 7, 2024 11:32:11 GMT
it is elitist as it only includes the top 16 from the NL. So when a team wins the league and goes up, this is also elitest? Or the teams that qualify for the play offs? Why is rewarding the top 16 teams with an entry into a cup competition the following season any different? |
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Post by markf on Jul 7, 2024 11:36:13 GMT
According to the NLP, this will start in November, just when pitches start to turn, assuming it ever stops raining before then.
It's already elitist with regards entry as only 16 clubs from NL enter. I assume the clubs that finished 17th to 20th plus the four promote miss out. Unless a club in the top 16 can pull out.
Or will it be the top 16 as of a certain date, say mid October?
Bloody farce if you ask me.
Perhaps our newly elected NL rep can enlighten us?
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Post by oohaah on Jul 7, 2024 11:41:48 GMT
There is surely still no guarantee that we will even be invited to compete. Why should the two clubs relegated from EFL2 be automatically assumed to be part of the 'top sixteen'? It may be that the NL will go for the top sixteen of the remaining eighteen member clubs as of the end of last season.
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