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Post by paz on Jul 7, 2024 11:46:56 GMT
There is surely still no guarantee that we will even be invited to compete. Why should the two clubs relegated from EFL2 be automatically assumed to be part of the 'top sixteen'? Because technically they finished in a higher league position than those under 16th in the Nat league last season, thus replacing the two teams that also finished above 16th before being promoted. |
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Post by oohaah on Jul 7, 2024 11:50:33 GMT
There is surely still no guarantee that we will even be invited to compete. Why should the two clubs relegated from EFL2 be automatically assumed to be part of the 'top sixteen'? Because technically they finished in a higher league position than those under 16th in the Nat league last season, thus replacing the two teams that also finished above 16th before being promoted. So is that guaranteed then? |
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Post by paz on Jul 7, 2024 12:05:11 GMT
Because technically they finished in a higher league position than those under 16th in the Nat league last season, thus replacing the two teams that also finished above 16th before being promoted. So is that guaranteed then? I have not heard confirmation but I would bet that is the case. Why would a team that's finished 17th or 18th in the nat league qualify ahead of a team that finished around 20 places higher in the pyramid? Also, if it dors not include the relegated teams replacing the promoted then it would not be stated as the top 16 sides qualifying but the top 18 sides, unless Bromley and Chesterfield are still expected to compete in it... |
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Post by sufc18 on Jul 7, 2024 16:42:19 GMT
it is elitist as it only includes the top 16 from the NL. So when a team wins the league and goes up, this is also elitest? Or the teams that qualify for the play offs? Why is rewarding the top 16 teams with an entry into a cup competition the following season any different? Yes, same could be said of our entry into the Irnbru Cup and I seem to recall thoroughly enjoying that! |
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Post by Jared on Jul 7, 2024 17:02:29 GMT
So when a team wins the league and goes up, this is also elitest? Or the teams that qualify for the play offs? Why is rewarding the top 16 teams with an entry into a cup competition the following season any different? Yes, same could be said of our entry into the Irnbru Cup and I seem to recall thoroughly enjoying that! Let’s be honest, away days in Glasgow (for Airdree) and Dublin were interesting and had a novelty factor. Playing Aston Villa under-21s on a Tuesday night in November seems like a waste of time and resources, not to mention the ever present threat of B team entryism into the pyramid. |
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Post by markf on Jul 7, 2024 17:37:02 GMT
So when a team wins the league and goes up, this is also elitest? Or the teams that qualify for the play offs? Why is rewarding the top 16 teams with an entry into a cup competition the following season any different? Yes, same could be said of our entry into the Irnbru Cup and I seem to recall thoroughly enjoying that! The Irn Bru Cup was invitational. We could have turned it down and then it would have gone to the next club down and so on. It was also a knock out tournament not a group stage followed by rounds. The NL Trophy is elitist because it does not include all NL clubs. That's a fact. It is the NL trying to replicate the EFL Trophy (which includes all its bottom two division clubs) but failing. It is another competition to add to an already heavily busy calendar. FA Cup run, FA Trophy run and the NLT becomes a mill stone around a clubs neck, if it isn't even without them. |
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Post by paz on Jul 7, 2024 18:06:43 GMT
Yes, same could be said of our entry into the Irnbru Cup and I seem to recall thoroughly enjoying that! The NL Trophy is elitist because it does not include all NL clubs. That's a fact. It is the NL trying to replicate the EFL Trophy (which includes all its bottom two division clubs) but failing. This season every club will have the chance to qualify for next years competition. None of them will be cherry picked, they will have to earn it. It will also give a little more for some mid table sides to play for... Presumably these clubs will want to be involved for extra revenue, otherwise there will be little point to the whole thing.. |
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Post by markf on Jul 7, 2024 20:08:59 GMT
Extra revenue?
Would be interesting to know what the break even is for staging a match in this competition.
Floodlights costs, travel for possibly one group match, officials fees and stewarding. Bar staff, general energy consumption.
Considering money is tight for some, even at reduced entrance fees, crowds could be low.
Currently, there is no sponsor for this competition, although there is time for that to be sorted.
At present, I see little extra revenue from these matches, especially if you consider PL clubs already enter the EFL equivalent. Fans of PL clubs may have to be a bit selective about which competition they follow.
I hope to be proved wrong on the above but to me this is a NL vanity project adding to an already busy calendar.
Give me FA Cup replays over this any day of the week.
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Post by TonyD on Jul 8, 2024 0:16:26 GMT
I wasn’t interested in watching Sutton play kids teams in the EFL Trophy until it reached the stage where we might get to Wembley. Not sure if this competition has a Wembley final. Pretty sure I won’t be paying to watch the early rounds. I just hope the Premier League is paying us lots of money to help train their young players.
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Post by davethegrave on Jul 8, 2024 17:23:19 GMT
What's to stop us playing the kids like we do in the Surrey Senior Cup?
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Post by surreyu on Jul 8, 2024 21:10:08 GMT
What's to stop us playing the kids like we do in the Surrey Senior Cup? The efl trophy had a rule in place that meant you had to field a certain number of players that featured in the league fixture before it. I assume this will have something similar. |
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Post by Andy K on Jul 9, 2024 9:09:16 GMT
So is that guaranteed then? I have not heard confirmation but I would bet that is the case. Why would a team that's finished 17th or 18th in the nat league qualify ahead of a team that finished around 20 places higher in the pyramid? Also, if it dors not include the relegated teams replacing the promoted then it would not be stated as the top 16 sides qualifying but the top 18 sides, unless Bromley and Chesterfield are still expected to compete in it... The only precedent we have for this is the EFL (Carabao) Cup, where the teams finishing in 18th and 19th in the PL the previous season and were relegated don't play in the first round, so I expect you're right. So I'd expect the NL teams will be (in order of where they finished last season on this basis) Sutton, FGR, Barnet, Altrincham, Solihull, Gateshead, Halifax, Aldershot, Southend, Oldham, Rochdale, Hartlepool, Eastleigh, Maidenhead, D&R and Wealdstone. I wonder which 16 of the 20 PL sides will take part. |
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Post by oohaah on Jul 9, 2024 10:55:55 GMT
I have not heard confirmation but I would bet that is the case. Why would a team that's finished 17th or 18th in the nat league qualify ahead of a team that finished around 20 places higher in the pyramid? Also, if it dors not include the relegated teams replacing the promoted then it would not be stated as the top 16 sides qualifying but the top 18 sides, unless Bromley and Chesterfield are still expected to compete in it... The only precedent we have for this is the EFL (Carabao) Cup, where the teams finishing in 18th and 19th in the PL the previous season and were relegated don't play in the first round, so I expect you're right. So I'd expect the NL teams will be (in order of where they finished last season on this basis) Sutton, FGR, Barnet, Altrincham, Solihull, Gateshead, Halifax, Aldershot, Southend, Oldham, Rochdale, Hartlepool, Eastleigh, Maidenhead, D&R and Wealdstone. I wonder which 16 of the 20 PL sides will take part. Whilst I agree that it's most likely, we still don't know for sure, do we? |
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Post by Andy K on Jul 9, 2024 11:04:42 GMT
The only precedent we have for this is the EFL (Carabao) Cup, where the teams finishing in 18th and 19th in the PL the previous season and were relegated don't play in the first round, so I expect you're right. So I'd expect the NL teams will be (in order of where they finished last season on this basis) Sutton, FGR, Barnet, Altrincham, Solihull, Gateshead, Halifax, Aldershot, Southend, Oldham, Rochdale, Hartlepool, Eastleigh, Maidenhead, D&R and Wealdstone. I wonder which 16 of the 20 PL sides will take part. Whilst I agree that it's most likely, we still don't know for sure, do we? No and the actual format of the competition - 4 regional groups of 8, but only the NL sides playing the PL sides, meaning (I think) 3 games for each NL side. Beyond that who knows - straight knockout? Regional? |
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Post by davethegrave on Jul 9, 2024 12:57:02 GMT
Whilst I agree that it's most likely, we still don't know for sure, do we? No and the actual format of the competition - 4 regional groups of 8, but only the NL sides playing the PL sides, meaning (I think) 3 games for each NL side. Beyond that who knows - straight knockout? Regional? Total waste of time and space. |
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