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Post by paz on Sept 11, 2024 11:29:32 GMT
Their first was definitely offside and more crap refereeing. And we were unlucky with the second which was quite unavoidable. Could have been a different game to be fair.
If there is one thing to cling to, we have had some bad luck and also some of our problems have been of our own doing. If we can be nore composed, cut out silly errors and have a change of luck then I am hopeful we can see enough wins to see us safe.
Out of our next 37 games, if we can get about 11 more wins and 11 more draws, then we will very likely be safe, and perhaps we could lose more and still be safe.
If we can convert more of our chances, keep our heads up and have the players ignore our negative fans, I think its achievable.
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Post by steveb on Sept 11, 2024 11:34:48 GMT
I believe Boston are part time and that D&R are as well (if I heard their stream commentator correctly).
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Post by ttenorclef on Sept 11, 2024 12:11:54 GMT
“If we can convert more of our chances, keep our heads up and have the players ignore our negative fans, I think it’s achievable.”
Blind optimism. Did you actually watch the last two games?
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Post by paz on Sept 11, 2024 12:53:13 GMT
“If we can convert more of our chances, keep our heads up and have the players ignore our negative fans, I think it’s achievable.” Blind optimism. Did you actually watch the last two games? Attended one and saw the other streamed on TV, so yes, and left early against Boston without a single word to the players or staff. Blind optimism? Have you never seen a team improve performances a bit within a season? If we can win one of our next two games we have an average for a team that will stay up. Given our team has only played 8 competative games together with a brand new squad, its not optimism to presume we can improve a bit more. Certainly enough to keep out of the bottom 4.
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Post by ttenorclef on Sept 11, 2024 13:20:37 GMT
I hope you’re right and mostly I’d have the faith too. Just somewhat deflated after these last two matches. But I don’t shout negative things at the team either. And I will be at Southend on Saturday. I’m still not optimistic though.
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Post by Andy K on Sept 11, 2024 14:04:41 GMT
“If we can convert more of our chances, keep our heads up and have the players ignore our negative fans, I think it’s achievable.” Blind optimism. Did you actually watch the last two games? Attended one and saw the other streamed on TV, so yes, and left early against Boston without a single word to the players or staff. Blind optimism? Have you never seen a team improve performances a bit within a season? If we can win one of our next two games we have an average for a team that will stay up. Given our team has only played 8 competative games together with a brand new squad, its not optimism to presume we can improve a bit more. Certainly enough to keep out of the bottom 4. I don't disagree. Bearing in mind how quickly (10 days) the wheels came off. Before that we were fine. A bit naieve, but fine. On that basis, I don't see this being a fundamental problem with the team. Especially as our 2 worst performances came 3 days apart with one day on the training pitch. If we get 4 more performances like those to the end of September, then there's a bigger issue at play. And yes, we have seen performances improve over a season. Last season is a perfect example. 2nd half of the season miles better than the first. If they were matched across the whole season we would have stayed up with games to spare. Also 19/20. In November we were in huge trouble. By the time the season shut down for Covid, we were the in form team in the league. 2004. 18th in October. Finished 2nd. 2015/16. After 8 games, 12th. Won the title. 2012/13. After 8 games, 22nd/22. Finished 6th, just missing out on a play off spot. Plenty of examples of us having a blip earlier in the season.
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Post by paz on Sept 11, 2024 14:16:44 GMT
I hope you’re right and mostly I’d have the faith too. Just somewhat deflated after these last two matches. But I don’t shout negative things at the team either. And I will be at Southend on Saturday. I’m still not optimistic though. Don't get me wrong, there are certainly some worrying signs. But for me we need to get this expectancy of promotion out of our minds. We thought we would storm the league and now we see that this wont be the case. That does not mean we cant conjure up the few wins here and there, which we will need to keep pushing up into mid-table. The players need to hold their nerve, keep working hard. And fans need to be patient.
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Post by markf on Sept 11, 2024 14:26:19 GMT
SM's post match interview concentrated on the fact we didn't take our chances. Not wrong there. Maybe, so quickly after the match gathering one's thoughts aren't easy but it's not just up front we have a problem. Defensively, we suddenly look very open. Periera had a field day and D&R are not the first this season to expose us by just simply being direct. There appears to be no one in front of the back four capable of stopping this. Barbrook and Simper are great on the ball but where's the fella getting the tackle in?
Meanwhile, SM wants us to build from the back, play the ball around. Fine in L2 but not as we have seen in the past two matches, in the NL. Worrying as both the oppo had hardly set the NL alight before they played us. Perhaps the adrenalin of youth has evaporated because currently, the team is nowhere near it was just a few short weeks ago.
I didn't hear the personal comments thrown and therefore who they were aimed at (I was too busy applauding Josh Coley for his superb performance) although SM suggests it was he who was getting the flack. I ain't going down that route but unlike previous managers, SM can hardly be accused of warm engagement with the fans since his arrival and that, to some, makes him an easier target.
The club apparently lost six more volunteers recently after an alleged incident around the dug outs and how it was handled. A twitter post on the SUFC account, explaining it, was swiftly deleted by those in charge. Big Brother is watching apparently. That raises the question, what has happened to the club? That's not SUFC. Add it to these ridiculous tweets about us returning to the EFL (on current form, light years away) and that Alty stuff earlier, one wonders if anybody in charge of the comms or indeed the club, knows what the hell they're doing?
Add all that to the last two performances and it feels as if things are spiralling out of control. Sutton has apparently won just 11 of their last 65 league matches. Of course that's not all on the current management.
I will admit that had I known how the soul off the club was going to be ripped out I would never, along with a number of other shareholders, voted to bring in outside investment just to keep U's, post-Dos, at NL level (or as became above). Things of course went rather well to start with but now.....
I am coming up to my 55th anniversary of watching Sutton and that's home and away throughout that time period and I have never felt so divorced from it as I do now. Not because of disappointments on the pitch (blimey, this is just a minor blip compared to what I have witnessed) but just the whole damn feel of the club. And the continuous exodus of many volunteers, some who have been doing so for years, it would appear I am not alone in that feeling.
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Post by JK on Sept 11, 2024 16:18:41 GMT
This is how I have felt for a while Mark and we tried to say all this back a few months ago on here, but just got a wall of being told we were talking nonsense, but I guess it was something everyone just needed to find out themselves.
Off the pitch the club does not sound good, it’s a mess, too many cooks, and all with apparently tons of experience in this field, yet managing to go so wide of the target on every point.
And this is costing the club, as things currently stand, I do not trust the American investors, do not trust the mbuzz representative, although he now has what he wants now that he is on the national league board.
How much debt could they leave the club in when they all get fed up and run off into the night ?
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Post by FaultyyearsaU on Sept 11, 2024 17:00:20 GMT
SM's post match interview concentrated on the fact we didn't take our chances. Not wrong there. Maybe, so quickly after the match gathering one's thoughts aren't easy but it's not just up front we have a problem. Defensively, we suddenly look very open. Periera had a field day and D&R are not the first this season to expose us by just simply being direct. There appears to be no one in front of the back four capable of stopping this. Barbrook and Simper are great on the ball but where's the fella getting the tackle in? Meanwhile, SM wants us to build from the back, play the ball around. Fine in L2 but not as we have seen in the past two matches, in the NL. Worrying as both the oppo had hardly set the NL alight before they played us. Perhaps the adrenalin of youth has evaporated because currently, the team is nowhere near it was just a few short weeks ago. I didn't hear the personal comments thrown and therefore who they were aimed at (I was too busy applauding Josh Coley for his superb performance) although SM suggests it was he who was getting the flack. I ain't going down that route but unlike previous managers, SM can hardly be accused of warm engagement with the fans since his arrival and that, to some, makes him an easier target. The club apparently lost six more volunteers recently after an alleged incident around the dug outs and how it was handled. A twitter post on the SUFC account, explaining it, was swiftly deleted by those in charge. Big Brother is watching apparently. That raises the question, what has happened to the club? That's not SUFC. Add it to these ridiculous tweets about us returning to the EFL (on current form, light years away) and that Alty stuff earlier, one wonders if anybody in charge of the comms or indeed the club, knows what the hell they're doing? Add all that to the last two performances and it feels as if things are spiralling out of control. Sutton has apparently won just 11 of their last 65 league matches. Of course that's not all on the current management. I will admit that had I known how the soul off the club was going to be ripped out I would never, along with a number of other shareholders, voted to bring in outside investment just to keep U's, post-Dos, at NL level (or as became above). Things of course went rather well to start with but now..... I am coming up to my 55th anniversary of watching Sutton and that's home and away throughout that time period and I have never felt so divorced from it as I do now. Not because of disappointments on the pitch (blimey, this is just a minor blip compared to what I have witnessed) but just the whole damn feel of the club. And the continuous exodus of many volunteers, some who have been doing so for years, it would appear I am not alone in that feeling. Thank you Mark. This has all been spinning around in my head for some time. After almost every defeat in my 40 plus years of supporting this great club , I have made sure that I was as close as possible to the players going off, clapping and shouting “ unlucky boys, heads up, keep going”. Final whistles, at the moment win or lose may as well be the washing machine telling me it has finished its spin cycle. I really have never felt like this before and hope that it can yet change. Basically for me, if somebody like AB (and many significant others) feel the need to , at the very least take a metaphorical step backwards from banging the now, to my mind, non existent (hopefully only currently) #In it together, #Forever Amber drum then something feels very rotten in the state of Denmark.
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Post by boomboom on Sept 11, 2024 17:32:25 GMT
This is how I have felt for a while Mark and we tried to say all this back a few months ago on here, but just got a wall of being told we were talking nonsense, but I guess it was something everyone just needed to find out themselves. Off the pitch the club does not sound good, it’s a mess, too many cooks, and all with apparently tons of experience in this field, yet managing to go so wide of the target on every point. And this is costing the club, as things currently stand, I do not trust the American investors, do not trust the mbuzz representative, although he now has what he wants now that he is on the national league board. How much debt could they leave the club in when they all get fed up and run off into the night ? TBF I don't think you (and others) were faced by "a wall of being told we were talking nonsense", not from me anyway. Rather those who posted concerns were asked for evidence which was barely, if at all, forthcoming. Re the American investors, I did ask about the involvement of one (can't remember which) at an online shareholders meeting because the club I supported before Sutton was taken over by somebody who led it to its demise and I was one of the few who were dishing out warnings about the new owner at time. As such I experienced the pain and wouldn't wish to it repeated at any other club !!! However, I have to say, Dave Farebrother was very reassuring about matters of due diligence etc and any parallels are, at best, tenuous. As a supporter (ST holder and shareholder to boot) who usually just turns up at 2.50pm on Saturday afternoons, leaves at the final whistle, doesn't follow social media and has no connections with those in the know, I don't really have a clue what's going on save for what I read on here. It certainly seems like "there's trouble at t'mill" - as we northerners are supposedly fond of saying - albeit with caveats such as "alleged", "apparently" and "does not sound good" being scattered around like confetti. As such, perhaps a boil does need to be lanced and the sooner the better. But how and by whom? As for on-pitch matters, at my age one tends to become somewhat philosophical when the going gets rough. Sure, I can have and express my views but Matt, Steve et al will always know a hundred times more about football than I ever will.
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Post by markf on Sept 11, 2024 17:49:52 GMT
This is how I have felt for a while Mark and we tried to say all this back a few months ago on here, but just got a wall of being told we were talking nonsense, but I guess it was something everyone just needed to find out themselves. Off the pitch the club does not sound good, it’s a mess, too many cooks, and all with apparently tons of experience in this field, yet managing to go so wide of the target on every point. And this is costing the club, as things currently stand, I do not trust the American investors, do not trust the mbuzz representative, although he now has what he wants now that he is on the national league board. How much debt could they leave the club in when they all get fed up and run off into the night ? No JK, what you did was chuck a wobbly because you got turned down for something (as you admitted). I have no idea about mbuzz, other than they were already on board before we got promoted and before other investors were brought in, so you're barking up the wrong tree there too. Your attacks appeared to be motivated by what you thought you could do better and I seriously would have my doubts that you could. OS still doesn't attend matches and as far as I can see makes no contribution whatsoever. What I am getting at is the club is losing its volunteers and eroding goodwill because certain people appear to have no understanding how to talk to those volunteers when asked to deal with a situation. And no one in the club's current hierarchy appears to want to stand up for them or perhaps doesn't have the potency to do so. So don't tie me into the vitriol you were displaying on here during the summer. We are not singing from the same hymn sheet.
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Post by os on Sept 11, 2024 18:10:29 GMT
SM's post match interview concentrated on the fact we didn't take our chances. Not wrong there. Maybe, so quickly after the match gathering one's thoughts aren't easy but it's not just up front we have a problem. Defensively, we suddenly look very open. Periera had a field day and D&R are not the first this season to expose us by just simply being direct. There appears to be no one in front of the back four capable of stopping this. Barbrook and Simper are great on the ball but where's the fella getting the tackle in? Meanwhile, SM wants us to build from the back, play the ball around. Fine in L2 but not as we have seen in the past two matches, in the NL. Worrying as both the oppo had hardly set the NL alight before they played us. Perhaps the adrenalin of youth has evaporated because currently, the team is nowhere near it was just a few short weeks ago. I didn't hear the personal comments thrown and therefore who they were aimed at (I was too busy applauding Josh Coley for his superb performance) although SM suggests it was he who was getting the flack. I ain't going down that route but unlike previous managers, SM can hardly be accused of warm engagement with the fans since his arrival and that, to some, makes him an easier target. The club apparently lost six more volunteers recently after an alleged incident around the dug outs and how it was handled. A twitter post on the SUFC account, explaining it, was swiftly deleted by those in charge. Big Brother is watching apparently. That raises the question, what has happened to the club? That's not SUFC. Add it to these ridiculous tweets about us returning to the EFL (on current form, light years away) and that Alty stuff earlier, one wonders if anybody in charge of the comms or indeed the club, knows what the hell they're doing? Add all that to the last two performances and it feels as if things are spiralling out of control. Sutton has apparently won just 11 of their last 65 league matches. Of course that's not all on the current management. I will admit that had I known how the soul off the club was going to be ripped out I would never, along with a number of other shareholders, voted to bring in outside investment just to keep U's, post-Dos, at NL level (or as became above). Things of course went rather well to start with but now..... I am coming up to my 55th anniversary of watching Sutton and that's home and away throughout that time period and I have never felt so divorced from it as I do now. Not because of disappointments on the pitch (blimey, this is just a minor blip compared to what I have witnessed) but just the whole damn feel of the club. And the continuous exodus of many volunteers, some who have been doing so for years, it would appear I am not alone in that feeling. Well said Mark, I for once totally agree with you, and that as you know is very rare. Just seen your comment above about me, I am afraid it is a result of chicken and egg, at least you and others are starting to see what is happening to our club.
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Post by markf on Sept 11, 2024 18:15:00 GMT
I don't need your endorsement thanks OS. You should read my response to JK to no where I stand there.
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Post by os on Sept 11, 2024 18:18:40 GMT
I don't need your endorsement thanks OS. You should read my response to JK to no where I stand there. When I agree with someone I will say it. As for your other comments, there is so much you don't know, and things I cannot post here.
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