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Post by andycapp on Nov 5, 2024 7:25:06 GMT
I’m sure that some of you recorded the ITV coverage. My question is did you rewatch it, fast forward through the match or delete the recording.
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jr
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Post by jr on Nov 5, 2024 8:21:59 GMT
What is the capacity of the ground? Against the attendance today of 4804. The capacity that had been agreed for yesterday's match was 5,001 ( As agreed with the Council Safety Team ). This figure "could" change in the future, but is probably the maximum that could be allowed at this time Which is quite ridiculous. There was so much room in the ground especially in the Collingwood Terrace where there were probably fewer than 300 spectators. I gather the H&S person from the Council was at the game and hopefully noted that we can easily get another 500-1000 into the ground. It really gets my goat when you go to somewhere like Craven Cottage which, in my view, is rather dangerous on the narrow concourses and it's probably only a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured, yet we're restricted in a large open space with loads of room. |
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Post by davef on Nov 5, 2024 8:52:22 GMT
Capacity is calculated according to a mandatory formula, based on the area of each part of a stadium. So many people per sqm. That gives a maximum. It is then adjusted by a safety factor (1 being ideal, but often less) based on parameters such as sight lines, escape routes, condition of terraces etc etc.
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Post by jr on Nov 5, 2024 9:09:39 GMT
Capacity is calculated according to a mandatory formula, based on the area of each part of a stadium. So many people per sqm. That gives a maximum. It is then adjusted by a safety factor (1 being ideal, but often less) based on parameters such as sight lines, escape routes, condition of terraces etc etc. That may be so but in my experience it's clearly wrong. I went to Fulham V Chelsea last season and it's dangerous, very dangerous. It's not at Sutton. Plenty of sight lines on Sunday. As I said you could have easily got another 500 in the Collingwood Terrace. If the sight lines were poor on the curva (and there were spaces on there) or behind the GGL end goal then some fence may have moved to the Collingwood Terrace. Escape routes i get but try escaping at Fulham and you can't. The concourse which is half way up behind the stand is probably no more than 4 metres wide. The toilets (which are nearly 100 years old) are on the ground floor. It takes 7-8 minutes to get from your seat at half time to get to the toilets by barging through people and getting down the narrow staircase. I cannot fathom how they are allowed such large crowds in such a confined space. |
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Post by davef on Nov 5, 2024 9:23:04 GMT
I’m only stating how it is calculated.
I had plenty of “discussions” with the authorities when I was the GSO but they have to follow the “Green Guide”. Of course, ultimately that multiplication factor is subjective, but it can never be above 1.
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Post by jr on Nov 5, 2024 9:50:04 GMT
I’m only stating how it is calculated. I had plenty of “discussions” with the authorities when I was the GSO but they have to follow the “Green Guide”. Of course, ultimately that multiplication factor is subjective, but it can never be above 1. Where can one find the "Green Guide"? Would be interesting to read |
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Post by davef on Nov 5, 2024 9:58:40 GMT
It’s actually a good document. Especially if you have trouble sleeping 😂
Some of the guidance is a bit involved, but anyone should be able to follow it but, of course, the subjective elements rely on experience. Most of us only ever apply it to one stadium, but the professionals at the SGSA will see dozens of different grounds.
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Post by information on Nov 5, 2024 10:08:37 GMT
Looked like there were a few seats unsold in the family seating behind goal
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Post by Del on Nov 5, 2024 11:32:32 GMT
The space at the Gander Green lane end on the side terrace was very evident. Many more there usually for a league game.
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Post by steviem on Nov 5, 2024 17:57:14 GMT
The space at the Gander Green lane end on the side terrace was very evident. Many more there usually for a league game. That wasn’t my experience, can normally find a space fairly easily just after kick-off when I finish stewarding; much more difficult on Sunday. |
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Post by banjo on Nov 5, 2024 18:14:50 GMT
The capacity that had been agreed for yesterday's match was 5,001 ( As agreed with the Council Safety Team ). This figure "could" change in the future, but is probably the maximum that could be allowed at this time Which is quite ridiculous. There was so much room in the ground especially in the Collingwood Terrace where there were probably fewer than 300 spectators. I gather the H&S person from the Council was at the game and hopefully noted that we can easily get another 500-1000 into the ground. It really gets my goat when you go to somewhere like Craven Cottage which, in my view, is rather dangerous on the narrow concourses and it's probably only a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured, yet we're restricted in a large open space with loads of room. I hear what your saying, but the thing is that it is flat standing and grounds to day have too have stands built, in-order too increase capacity in the ground, that is why the stand at the collingwood end is there. Long term the ground I think will get a makeover to a-dress this. Also I think Steve said he would like too get the gates up to eight thousand and that can only happen with ground improvements.⚽️⚽️⚽️ |
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Post by side1 on Nov 5, 2024 18:39:09 GMT
There were a good number of empty seats in side 1 of the main grandstand, including a full section of one row, a group of Birmingham fans were sitting behind me, Presume included in their 1500. The attendance given is usually based on tickets sold, I guess the 300 odd short of capacity were unsold home tickets. The bars were busy through the match and there are always some who don't take up their ticket for whatever reason . Be interesting to know how many people passed through the turnstiles. ?
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Post by os on Nov 5, 2024 23:53:36 GMT
Although the team played as well as they could and restricted a very good Birmingham side to just a single goal, the visitors rarely needed to shift out of 1st gear. Sutton lacked that something to scare the opposition, whether it was a Dundo or Roarie the magic man or even more recently the likes of Olaofe, we didn't provide a threat.
It is a bit concerning that the home side failed to sell out, I can't remember that for a big cup game at GGL. The changes in club structure were very evident with the pre-match interviews, which for me lacked substance and direction.
It maybe just me but the club feels like a bottle of coke that has gone a bit flat, and I am waiting for the new owners / board etc to sprinkle some magic dust.
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Post by Jared on Nov 6, 2024 0:38:30 GMT
Although the team played as well as they could and restricted a very good Birmingham side to just a single goal, the visitors rarely needed to shift out of 1st gear. Sutton lacked that something to scare the opposition, whether it was a Dundo or Roarie the magic man or even more recently the likes of Olaofe, we didn't provide a threat. It is a bit concerning that the home side failed to sell out, I can't remember that for a big cup game at GGL. The changes in club structure were very evident with the pre-match interviews, which for me lacked substance and direction. It maybe just me but the club feels like a bottle of coke that has gone a bit flat, and I am waiting for the new owners / board etc to sprinkle some magic dust. Notts County in 2008 and 2011 didn’t sell out in the home end, nor did Cheltenham in 2016. Leeds in 2017 had a sub 5000 attendance (as opposed to the Wimbledon and Arsenal games which had 5000+ attendances). |
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Post by markf on Nov 6, 2024 6:33:27 GMT
Although the team played as well as they could and restricted a very good Birmingham side to just a single goal, the visitors rarely needed to shift out of 1st gear. Sutton lacked that something to scare the opposition, whether it was a Dundo or Roarie the magic man or even more recently the likes of Olaofe, we didn't provide a threat. It is a bit concerning that the home side failed to sell out, I can't remember that for a big cup game at GGL. The changes in club structure were very evident with the pre-match interviews, which for me lacked substance and direction. It maybe just me but the club feels like a bottle of coke that has gone a bit flat, and I am waiting for the new owners / board etc to sprinkle some magic dust. A guy who hasn't set foot in the ground for a match in I don't know how long making a negative statement about the size of the crowd. You couldn't make it up, except in OS world, anyway. Like you I expect some potential attendees opted for ITV live coverage. A crowd of 200 off the capacity ain't bad for a Sunday lunchtime. It was more than I expected. |
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