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Post by guestsimon on May 3, 2010 18:24:42 GMT
Thanks, bh.
Andy K and HonSec, I see where you're coming from but, with all due respect (visitor on your Forum, etc), I think the potential ramifications of this long weekend's goings-on are far too serious to be a laughing matter.
Read the statement at the head of this thread and you will see Ks are not, not, not 'requesting a replay'. Ks are 'lodging an appeal' , which is completely different. An appeal draws to the relevant authorities' attention incidents which took place, leaving the said authorities to decide what further action, including punishment, they deem appropriate. I feel it would be wrong for any side who had lost a playoff game to to try to manipulate a complaint about things which went into an implicit backdoor promotion. No sirree.
K's did not win the Ryman playoffs and so have no right to be playing BSS football next season. But if the Ryman League decide K's should be given another shot at this, that would be their decision.
Simples.
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Post by Rupert Scallywag on May 3, 2010 18:45:11 GMT
Cheers Simon.
Not wanting to sound mercanary. If we were in the same position I would be looking for some sort of action as well.
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Post by frakey on May 3, 2010 18:55:47 GMT
If that had occured during a U's game, I would have hoped that Dos would have led the players off the pitch & then let the ref & the RL officials who were present sort it out, including calling for a larger police presence.
I am surprised the game carried on straight away, tbh.
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Post by guestsimon on May 3, 2010 20:47:59 GMT
frakey,
Couldn't agree more. To my mind, the reason it didn't end in a walkoff is threefold:
1/ there had been a tense but somehow nasty atmosphere since the start of the game (and before) - you couldn't imagine a more different vibe from the game 4 days earlier at GGL; 2/ nonetheless, the assault on Duku was such a shock that I think no-one, including the K's management, quite could believe what they had just seen; and 3/ the game was delicately poised at 0-0 and everyone's adrenaline (players, management and spectators) was up - in some cases something more sinister, too. It would have taken an incredibly detached, dispassionate and single minded manager (something akin to the lovechild of Fergie and Hannibal Lector) to have had the nous and cool head to call his players off at that point.
Please remember K's have launched an appeal, not a crafty 'with hindsight' attempt to rewrite history to get something we didn't earn on the day - whatever the reasons for it. Speaking personally, I would regard an outcome that saw the perpetrators stopped from doing this again and suitably punished and BWFC finally get their nasty little house in order as a good one. Quite frankly, which league K's end up playing next season is largely irrelevant to the genuine core issues.
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Post by Andy K on May 3, 2010 23:31:46 GMT
Thanks, bh. Andy K and HonSec, I see where you're coming from but, with all due respect (visitor on your Forum, etc), I think the potential ramifications of this long weekend's goings-on are far too serious to be a laughing matter. Read the statement at the head of this thread and you will see Ks are not, not, not 'requesting a replay'. Ks are 'lodging an appeal' , which is completely different. An appeal draws to the relevant authorities' attention incidents which took place, leaving the said authorities to decide what further action, including punishment, they deem appropriate. I feel it would be wrong for any side who had lost a playoff game to to try to manipulate a complaint about things which went into an implicit backdoor promotion. No sirree. K's did not win the Ryman playoffs and so have no right to be playing BSS football next season. But if the Ryman League decide K's should be given another shot at this, that would be their decision. Simples. I'm sorry Simon, but I don't get where you think I think this is a laughing matter - see my previous post on what I think should happen to Borehamwood. The danger is that some of the more idiotic supporters may decide that there is direct action that can be taken by them to influence a game - whether it be Duku getting punched (with all due respect is minor compared to what happened at Luton today) or the 70s style pitch invasions where ref's had to abandoned play - I remember watching a Leeds V Man City fa cup game where Leeds fans went on the pitch to get the match abandoned, and the ref to his credit refused to. Of course this will invelitabley lead to Heysel style scenarios where the safety of fans, as well as players will be called into doubt. Yes there needs to be action taken, but appropriate action. In these situations you punish the club not the team. Like I said for you guys, the match shouldnt be replayed, but BW has action taken towards them. The same should affect Luton, to give the clubs incentive to get rid of this element. I remember the Derby V Fulham game that Frakey is talking about. One of the Fulham players actually got kicked by a Derby supporter, where the Derby fans were actually on the touchline! This match was controversially never concluded after Derby fans invaded the pitch. Fulham required a win to be promoted back into the top flight of English football but despite their protests the match was never replayed and the result, a 1-0 defeat, stood.
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Post by Kebab Belly Bob on May 4, 2010 1:21:11 GMT
Trevor Roffey was pelted with coins and other missles prior to the Middlesbrough replay. He was hit on the head by one which delayed the kick off. We lost the game 1-0 aet, but the newspapers clambered for us to push for a replay. We refused to go down this line, but I remember thinking at the time that we should have made more of this. The K's are right to make a complaint, even though I feel that little will be done, save banning someone who has probably never been to see Boreham Wood play before and would no doubt not be bothered ! I assume video evidence is available and might help matters.
KBB
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Post by filbert on May 4, 2010 8:45:42 GMT
After what has gone on over the past three days at BW, Luton and Hillsborough I began wondering what would have occurred if we had played away to Tonbridge Angels in a play off match. I was at the away league game this season and the atmosphere was very dark and sinister. Ho hum
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Post by tonyd on May 4, 2010 9:07:55 GMT
These things go in cycles and it seems that hooliganism is coming back to the grounds. We've seen a general increase in the level of nasty fans (and I have to include K's in that category, along with Bromley and Tonbridge) and at the extreme end we are getting the incidents at BW and Luton. How long will it be before police are again a regular feature at GGL? What a pity.
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Post by fluffy rascal on May 4, 2010 9:30:42 GMT
fluffy - hmm, would you rather be 'attacked' by confetti or the fist of a pitch intruder carrying God knows what having consumed God knows what? Come on... No one was attacked mate keep your knickers on, the person in front of me was hit in the head from close range by some twit throwing bog roll directly at us, fair enough it's only tissue but it one of those large hand towel rolls and hit him quite hard, wasn't really any need for it.
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Post by Andy K on May 4, 2010 9:38:40 GMT
Bromley were a lot worse a few years back - remember when they knocked us out of the FA cup in 2004? Horrible atmosphere, but they have calmed down more since then.
Tonbridge have issue with Dos more than Sutton - I don't think they would cause much concern if we had a different manager. And then again its just a couple of plonkas
I have to agree with Tony D about Kingstonian - yes there was a "party" atmosphere last tuesday from the Ks, but in the league game at GGL on December there was just a whole barrage of insults coming from the louder K fans. I'm sorry, it wasn't banter, it can only be described as antagonistic behaviour - the whole "We wont support the Ks, we'll just insult Sutton". And that has always been the case, I remember a fight in the 90s because of that same reason.
Obviously there have been some other nastier elements (Wealdstone last year). I think its always there, but sometimes it just needs a trigger.
I wasn't there so I can't say, but was there something there that triggered that 'fan' to punch Duku in the face, or was it literally the actions of a nutcase?
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Post by taz on May 4, 2010 9:56:08 GMT
Recall there being a scrap one game at Carshalton where a load of their lairy kids came round having burned a U's scarf before the game, but never anything with K's?
They love the games against us as it's their 'big' derby. As already mentioned elsewhere on here, they're sadly a good 3rd in our affections behind the Bobbins and Tooting (and that's purely considering geography).
I didn't find their crowd intimidating or upsetting when they came to us in the league, more just flat out tedious as the chants were pretty much all "We hate Sutton", "Can you hear the Sutton sing" and the charming one about Steve McKimm.
Meh.
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Post by garethl on May 4, 2010 10:15:52 GMT
Yeah don't think they're intimidating, just juvenile. Also remember that at Carshalton - was it extra time in some minor cup match?
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Post by Andy K on May 4, 2010 10:51:21 GMT
I remember a game where one of our supporters started thumping 5 shades of sh*t out of a ks supporter at Kingsmeadow after a long period of antagonism.
I remember the legue game and actually I was quite threatened by them (and i'm not easily scared!). I remember at half time me saying to the people around me - "I'm off to the VPs lounge, I can't stand to be anywhere near this bunch of mongs"
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Post by Andy K on May 4, 2010 10:54:04 GMT
...and actually going on Taz's point - there are teams that hate us, not just because we are local, but because we have a proud record - More people around the world have heard of Sutton (mainly thanks to 1989) than K's, Bobbins and Tooting.
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Post by os on May 4, 2010 11:06:26 GMT
I remember a few games in the 80s where we had a spot of bother, Aylesbury, Carshalton, Bangor and I got kicked at Woking. I missed the 90s but since I have been back in the last 10yrs or so its been far better although not back to those levels there has been a downturn in the last season or so. Tonbridge is certainly one and as I said on a earlier msg the K's behaviour at times has been intimidating, mostly through negative chants but also a lot of verbal if you happen to walk pass them. I was due to do a collection for Radio Marsden at the game but decided the atmosphere was not one I felt I could go and offer a bucket up to the K's fans.
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