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Post by fluffy rascal on Jan 21, 2013 16:26:49 GMT
I went to Thomas Wall Nursery School too by the way. Myself c 1962 Me too, c 1977 for me, I have a photo of me at a Christmas party there. |
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Post by fluffy rascal on Jan 21, 2013 16:52:16 GMT
The GGL area is littered with little underground springs, they used to come up in the road years ago. Elmbrook rd is called that because it had a brook running through it and although not often seen nowadays it often used to resurface at the corner Elmbrook/Jeffs Rd. One of the main reasons the water appears to had dried up is that Cheam water works abstracts millions of ltrs out of the ground every day which has reduced water table levels. The water company as spent most of the last 20yrs moaning the levels were too low. Now everything is full, the water table cannot be any higher these springs are how you say springing back into action. Sutton Green was a pond 100 yrs ago named 'Victoria pond' ago such was the extent of ground water. I sure I remember when I was a wee lad there was one at the end of Hurstcourt Road. There was an underwater steam under the High Street, used to run under the Cellar of the Blackwater Tavern (reason the pub was named so). |
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Post by wellie on Jan 21, 2013 20:14:11 GMT
Only pissed ones Billy.I worked at th Blackwater for couple of years in the Seventies.The best Pub in Sutton at the time and a real shame when it was demolished.Steve and Carol our Bar Stewards were regulars .Steve and myself were founder members of the famous Blackwater F.C!  |
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Post by oohaah on Jan 21, 2013 20:17:42 GMT
There was an underwater steam under the High Street, used to run under the Cellar of the Blackwater Tavern. Do they serve steam beer? |
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Post by Andy K on Jan 21, 2013 21:12:51 GMT
The GGL area is littered with little underground springs, they used to come up in the road years ago. Elmbrook rd is called that because it had a brook running through it and although not often seen nowadays it often used to resurface at the corner Elmbrook/Jeffs Rd. One of the main reasons the water appears to had dried up is that Cheam water works abstracts millions of ltrs out of the ground every day which has reduced water table levels. The water company as spent most of the last 20yrs moaning the levels were too low. Now everything is full, the water table cannot be any higher these springs are how you say springing back into action. Sutton Green was a pond 100 yrs ago named 'Victoria pond' ago such was the extent of ground water. I sure I remember when I was a wee lad there was one at the end of Hurstcourt Road. . The brook at Hurstcourt probably has something to do with the Pyl Brook - which has 2 main branches - one which goes from between Collingwood Road and Stayton Road, and the other branch (the East Pyl Brook) which goes at the edge of Rosehill park. They both meet up around Grand Drive in Lower Morden, and head up to meet the Beverley Brook north of New Malden. |
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Post by toronto on Jan 21, 2013 22:26:31 GMT
I remember the pond at the top of Bushey Road. It was where the Trolley buses to Croydon used to terminate. I also played many evenings on sutton green. There was a little water fountain there. Where the green and Hall Mead met there was a set of bars where one could get up to all kinds of acrobatics. They were right outside what is now a church. In my day there was no church but an big old house. I never knew what the iron bars were for but they provided plenty of action for us kids. A few yards away was Mr Hills grocery shop. In those days us kids had to improvise (no play station then) and boy did we improvise.
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Post by os on Jan 21, 2013 23:11:16 GMT
You thought that trolley bus had gone for good by for you Mr Toronto, he it is on its journey from Carshalton to Sutton Green:
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Post by billy on Jan 21, 2013 23:23:35 GMT
Only pissed ones Billy.I worked at th Blackwater for couple of years in the Seventies.The best Pub in Sutton at the time and a real shame when it was demolished.Steve and Carol our Bar Stewards were regulars .Steve and myself were founder members of the famous Blackwater F.C! While i was by no means a regular i used to go in that pub myself. |
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Post by sallycat on Jan 22, 2013 11:59:10 GMT
I'd have to question that Sarah. Whitehall and The Cottage in Cheam have been there for centuries and was awlays considered Cheam Village or Cheyham as it was once known. So too The Lumley Chapel in St Dunstan's Churchyard. I don't quite see how that changes anything: there's been a church at St Dunstans since Saxon times. :-) Anyway, it's only the centre of the village that moved according to that story. The village would have been a lot more self-contained then and what we know as Cheam Village would have covered a larger area. We could both be right. The chapel and other old buildings would have been there already but at the periphery rather than the centre of the village. |
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Post by billy on Jan 22, 2013 12:10:08 GMT
This site is so lucky to have at least two people who know everything.
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Post by billy on Jan 22, 2013 12:10:58 GMT
........and are never wrong.
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Post by fluffy rascal on Jan 22, 2013 15:55:57 GMT
I see another Paradox coming
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Post by fluffy rascal on Jan 22, 2013 15:58:17 GMT
Only pissed ones Billy.I worked at th Blackwater for couple of years in the Seventies.The best Pub in Sutton at the time and a real shame when it was demolished.Steve and Carol our Bar Stewards were regulars .Steve and myself were founder members of the famous Blackwater F.C! While i was by no means a regular i used to go in that pub myself. Here you go, a little reminder  |
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Post by wellie on Jan 22, 2013 16:10:46 GMT
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Post by markf on Jan 22, 2013 19:21:56 GMT
One of the only pubs in Sutton I never went into. Some of the clientele were allegedly a bit iffy if memory serves (which it doesn't these days).
Back to Cheam Village. Did a bit of research on t'internet. Apparently, GGL was on the periphery of the area and known as East Cheam Manor. This makes some sense bearing in mind where West Sutton station is. The church build on top of the hill in the 1860's is the current St Dunstan's and it was built on the site of the previous medieval church of which The Lumley Chapel (built in the 11th century) I assume was a part. By the way Joanna Lumley is a distant relative of the chap that built The Chapel. This area was known as West Cheam Manor. Perhaps the original village was somewhere in the middle?
All I know was that the impression I was given at school (again if memory serves) was that the current village location had been there well before the current St Dunstan's church was built. This came from a dragon of an English teacher, who, was also a member of The Lumley Chapel and a bit of a local historian. She was a very difficult person (to us kids) but also very clever.
So, who knows who's right. One thing for sure it ain't our Billy!!
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