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Post by garethl on Mar 18, 2013 18:19:02 GMT
Would replace Folkes with Rents and also include Williams from your list. Rivs will probably have to take more of a squad role, seems keeping fit is an issue now.
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Post by nigcapgue on Mar 18, 2013 20:06:08 GMT
In light of recent performances and now losing arguably the two best players at the club, it has put me off going to many more games this season, certainly at current prices..unless there is some fiendish obscure master plan hat nobody else can see it looks like the club/team is on the slide. But then I always compare every team to the footballing side of the mid 90s that I grew up watching This is a shame. The present situation is entirely financial. The lack of income this season is crippling us and we need as much support as we can get |
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Post by nigcapgue on Mar 18, 2013 20:08:22 GMT
I don't feel we are in a relegation battle at the moment after a good run of results.Dos doesn't always get it right and this season has proved that.However he is a good manager & motivator but sometimes sticks with certain players far longer than he should and releases other players quicker than he might. There are only a few of the present squad i would retain for next season and its only my view. They are Lovelock , Downer ,Rivierre,Harry B ,Dundo, Benjamin,Folkes.I would have included Ottaway & Boateng as well but sadly terms were not agreed. Hi delboy I'll respond to this after the next two games |
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Post by Del on Mar 18, 2013 20:23:26 GMT
Would replace Folkes with Rents and also include Williams from your list. Rivs will probably have to take more of a squad role, seems keeping fit is an issue now. Rents was playing really well until a few weeks ago and has suddenly gone of the boil thats why i havent included him.Williams tries hard but i've never seen a player overrun the ball so many times hence i havent included him either. |
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Post by markf on Mar 18, 2013 21:22:21 GMT
In light of recent performances and now losing arguably the two best players at the club, it has put me off going to many more games this season, certainly at current prices..unless there is some fiendish obscure master plan hat nobody else can see it looks like the club/team is on the slide. But then I always compare every team to the footballing side of the mid 90s that I grew up watching On the slide? We were on the slide before Dos came along. Since then we've been spoilt with four fine seasons that have brought 3 play-off semi's a league title, 3 FA Cup runs - the last ending with a 4,000 plus gate & live TV coverage - and our best run in the Trophy for some years. As for making a comprison to nearly 20 years ago. What's the point? I could compare the mid 90's with the 80's or 60's but the game changs so much dcade by decade, there really is no point. As was observed by a former Sutton legend last season, the games a lot quicker now than it was. However, how you spend your money is no business of mine nor concern. So see you next season, I hope  |
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Post by bornatotter on Mar 18, 2013 22:19:00 GMT
Yes. I think that's good perspective from mark. I have missed the last two games as I've been five thousand miles away but can fully understand the anger and frustration vented on here and from what col and duke have said on the blog that anger and frustration is shared by the gaffer. Sorry to see Harry o go as I think he has worked damned hard but if a deal can't be done that's life and there was also no chance scrivs was going to keep the bench warm indefinitely. The revolving door is just a fact of life at this level and Dos appears to be saying that there will be a wholesale rebuilding of the squad again for next season, a debate first started on thus site. Yes I would prefer the kind of stability that was the order of the day when I first started watching games here forty years ago where you would see a handful of changes a season generally but that was then and this is now. The next q and a should be lively.
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Post by nigcapgue on Mar 18, 2013 22:20:36 GMT
In light of recent performances and now losing arguably the two best players at the club, it has put me off going to many more games this season, certainly at current prices..unless there is some fiendish obscure master plan hat nobody else can see it looks like the club/team is on the slide. But then I always compare every team to the footballing side of the mid 90s that I grew up watching On the slide? We were on the slide before Dos came along. Since then we've been spoilt with four fine seasons that have brought 3 play-off semi's a league title, 3 FA Cup runs - the last ending with a 4,000 plus gate & live TV coverage - and our best run in the Trophy for some years. As for making a comprison to nearly 20 years ago. What's the point? I could compare the mid 90's with the 80's or 60's but the game changs so much dcade by decade, there really is no point. As was observed by a former Sutton legend last season, the games a lot quicker now than it was. However, how you spend your money is no business of mine nor concern. So see you next season, I hope Well said markf |
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Post by panterra on Mar 18, 2013 22:21:15 GMT
Am getting quite concerned, so much so that I actually registered so as to vent my spleen as it were  So apologies for what you may be about to read  Of some of the comments already posted on here there are certain things that I feel need looking into a little deeper .... 1/ Why do we go through so many players ? They seem to arrive and then they are released which in my mind begs the question as to why were they signed in the first place ? It`s getting to a point that anyone who has ever kicked a ball, will have Sutton Utd on their CV. The constant coming and goings surely has a detrimental effect the moral and confidence of the team/squad. As much as football is huge it can also be a small world where word gets around, and pretty soon, if it hasn`t already, the club will get a poor name (player-wise) and it will be difficult to attract decent players without paying them ludicrous fees which we cannot afford. I can recall an Eastleigh fan posting on here a few years back wishing us good luck, as well as stating "be prepared to replace your existing doors with a revolving one" I can see exactly what he meant now. I agree that there are some who just look like they are along for the ride and the money, but again that begs the question as to why they were signed in the first place ? I wonder if anyone has actually kept score on the comings and goings ? 2/ Someone has already alluded to the fact that players tend to do better once they have left the club. This comment is not without foundation. Particularly where strikers are concerned. Seems to me that the team are constantly being bombarded with instructions from the touchline and are almost afraid to play fluently and naturally for fear of making a mistake and being dropped or shown the door should they attempt something different or try to be inventive. No player will perform at their best when they are under that sort of pressure. I`m not saying they should be given carte-blanche as that would be ridiculous. But in some games the team has changed formation so many times during a match that the players look bewildered as to what they are supposed to be doing. It`s a simple game and when played as such, it is simply brilliant ! Is it not better to have a game plan, put in into practice on the training ground and stick to it ! That way everyone knows what they are doing! Obviously having a plan "B" is a good thing but a having plans "C", "D" and "F" is overkill  3/The recent departures are disappointing. Particularly at this point of the season in a division as tight as this one is. Whatever the reasons may be (and we don`t know the full circumstances just a glossed over statement) it`s a shame, as Boateng had only just come back to the fold. Scrivs who is a quality keeper as well as being a proven and loyal servant to the club was let go after sustaining an injury and Quote c/o Suttoncommoner : "A few weeks back we had big Wayne in goal because Tom didn't want to come back, Dos needed to have a 'chat' about is commitment to Sutton, now Kevin departs  " Obviously we cannot retain both keepers however there was one of those keepers who did not seem to have any loyalty issues  As For Harry O, he didn`t seem to have any commitment issues to me, in fact he looked one of, if not our most committed players, and certainly didn`t show any outward signs that he did not want to be here. Whatever the reasons it is extremely disappointing that a compromise could not have been reached. I wish them all well and success whatever they do and wherever they go. Although this seems a doom and gloom posting it is not intended to be. It is more about questions and issues that could do with a bit of clarification. And before someone says it " Why don`t you put these questions to Dos at the next managers Q&A?" I will  If I`m in the country, but if I`m "away" I`d like to think that someone else might As I`d really like to know |
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Post by nigcapgue on Mar 18, 2013 22:26:33 GMT
Am getting quite concerned, so much so that I actually registered so as to vent my spleen as it were So apologies for what you may be about to read Of some of the comments already posted on here there are certain things that I feel need looking into a little deeper .... 1/ Why do we go through so many players ? They seem to arrive and then they are released which in my mind begs the question as to why were they signed in the first place ? It`s getting to a point that anyone who has ever kicked a ball, will have Sutton Utd on their CV. The constant coming and goings surely has a detrimental effect the moral and confidence of the team/squad. As much as football is huge it can also be a small world where word gets around, and pretty soon, if it hasn`t already, the club will get a poor name (player-wise) and it will be difficult to attract decent players without paying them ludicrous fees which we cannot afford. I can recall an Eastleigh fan posting on here a few years back wishing us good luck, as well as stating "be prepared to replace your existing doors with a revolving one" I can see exactly what he meant now. I agree that there are some who just look like they are along for the ride and the money, but again that begs the question as to why they were signed in the first place ? I wonder if anyone has actually kept score on the comings and goings ? 2/ Someone has already alluded to the fact that players tend to do better once they have left the club. This comment is not without foundation. Particularly where strikers are concerned. Seems to me that the team are constantly being bombarded with instructions from the touchline and are almost afraid to play fluently and naturally for fear of making a mistake and being dropped or shown the door should they attempt something different or try to be inventive. No player will perform at their best when they are under that sort of pressure. I`m not saying they should be given carte-blanche as that would be ridiculous. But in some games the team has changed formation so many times during a match that the players look bewildered as to what they are supposed to be doing. It`s a simple game and when played as such, it is simply brilliant ! Is it not better to have a game plan, put in into practice on the training ground and stick to it ! That way everyone knows what they are doing! Obviously having a plan "B" is a good thing but a having plans "C", "D" and "F" is overkill 3/The recent departures are disappointing. Particularly at this point of the season in a division as tight as this one is. Whatever the reasons may be (and we don`t know the full circumstances just a glossed over statement) it`s a shame, as Boateng had only just come back to the fold. Scrivs who is a quality keeper as well as being a proven and loyal servant to the club was let go after sustaining an injury and Quote c/o Suttoncommoner : "A few weeks back we had big Wayne in goal because Tom didn't want to come back, Dos needed to have a 'chat' about is commitment to Sutton, now Kevin departs " Obviously we cannot retain both keepers however there was one of those keepers who did not seem to have any loyalty issues As For Harry O, he didn`t seem to have any commitment issues to me, in fact he looked one of, if not our most committed players, and certainly didn`t show any outward signs that he did not want to be here. Whatever the reasons it is extremely disappointing that a compromise could not have been reached. I wish them all well and success whatever they do and wherever they go. Although this seems a doom and gloom posting it is not intended to be. It is more about questions and issues that could do with a bit of clarification. And before someone says it " Why don`t you put these questions to Dos at the next managers Q&A?" I will If I`m in the country, but if I`m "away" I`d like to think that someone else might As I`d really like to know The answer is all about the financial situation which at present is very very poor following the cancellation of too many Sat matches. |
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Post by Amber Aleman on Mar 18, 2013 23:09:51 GMT
I think we all have to accept Dos's philosophy - when something isn't working you change it. That applies during matches and it applies during seasons. It may mean a high turnover of players, and inevitably some changes don't work out, but Dos's record suggests that he gets it right more often than not.
What's held us back this season is the lack of any prolific strikers. But last summer we had every reason to believe we'd got a decent strikeforce. Craig Watkins had scored 23 the previous season. Stefan Payne had returned after a spell in the pro game. We'd signed an experienced forward in Kezie Ibe who could hold the ball up. And Kyle Vassell looked a good, young prospect. Unfortunately, for various reasons beyond the management's control (injury, loss of confidence), none of those players matched expectations and all have now left the club (with two of them dropping down to the Ryman). The mid-season replacements who've arrived have proved to be more accomplished at providing than finishing. Or, in Pacquette's case, just finished.
I'm fairly confident next season will be different.
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Post by os on Mar 18, 2013 23:21:50 GMT
I would argue about the fact that players who leave us go on to be better or play at a higher level: Who have we let go this season that is doing better now?
I note from my contact at Chelmo that Kyle is not showing the spark he did in his 1st couple of matches and I dont see him as scorer of any of their 6 goals tonight.
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Post by Andy K on Mar 19, 2013 0:06:51 GMT
I would argue about the fact that players who leave us go on to be better or play at a higher level: Who have we let go this season that is doing better now? Erm Stefan Payne and Gareth Gwillim at Ebbsfleet. At the time of writing they are in the BSS which is....erm a higher level. My point is that SOME players have done so. Kyle has done more at Chelmsford than he did at Sutton, even if he's not sparking at the moment. My emphasis was that many players come here and do better, and to me, that's not really happened this season. With a few exceptions, many of the seasons signings have been disappointing. |
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Post by holmes on Mar 19, 2013 0:16:21 GMT
Money wise we need to be prudent. The club must survive, but part of that survival is a brand that entertains on the pitch and brings in the punters. We have failed on the 'entertainment' side (lets face it, its more about winning than entertainment these days and that's where we've really failed). We had a poor start, crowds dropped and then we were hit by the weather which knocked out a load of Saturday games. Add to that an early FA cup exit and its easy to see where the money's dropped compared to last season. So money is at a low, but it still feels like a kick in the teeth when we loose someone like Harry O. No doubt Harry B will be off soon, hopefully to a higher club as he deserves to play at a higher level.
I hope the lads can pull off a good performance tomorrow and lift the spirits. I don't like being negative, especially as we have been treated to some real highlights over the past few seasons. Maybe that's raised expectations a bit too much? I don't know, but I do know that this season isn't what I thought it was going to be. Sad, but true I'm afraid.
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Post by tonyd on Mar 19, 2013 0:57:36 GMT
Erm Stefan Payne and Gareth Gwillim at Ebbsfleet. At the time of writing they are in the BSS which is....erm a higher level. But only to the end of this season probably. Hands up all those who thought we ought to keep either Stefan or Gareth. It's a bit rich criticising the player policy when you think what it has delivered over the last four seasons. |
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Post by billy on Mar 19, 2013 1:16:50 GMT
I wonder if anyone has actually kept score on the comings and goings ?
It's difficult to be exact as it means trawling through five lists of stats.However , i make it that i've seen 143 players in the last five seasons including this one.
Nineteen of those players have appeared in one game only.
Every time you show up for a game there are one , two or three new players on display.I've said it time and again - it's absolutely ludicrous.
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So apologies for what you may be about to read 
" Obviously we cannot retain both keepers however there was one of those keepers who did not seem to have any loyalty issues 
As For Harry O, he didn`t seem to have any commitment issues to me, in fact he looked one of, if not our most committed players, and certainly didn`t show any outward signs that he did not want to be here. Whatever the reasons it is extremely disappointing that a compromise could not have been reached.
If I`m in the country, but if I`m "away" I`d like to think that someone else might 
