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Post by Andy K on Mar 27, 2013 12:12:01 GMT
From the Weston match report
"Five minutes into stoppage time, with all nine outfield Sutton players in the Weston half for a corner, the ball was cleared up field to McClaggon on his own and he galloped for a good 70 yards before beating Lovelock, much to the disgust of the home fans who shouted abuse at the Weston players as they left the field at the end."
I thought it was more at the Ref....
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Post by travellingseagull on Mar 27, 2013 12:32:11 GMT
Weston supporter here, thought I had to comment on some of the nonsense on here.
The ref was shocking but he was shocking for both sides, allowing your cloggers to kick or players up and down the pitch (at one stage Naby Diallo was fouled 4 times on one run and still didn't get a free kick!!) and then giving free kicks for nothing challenges.
Time wasting - yes we slowed the game down a bit in the last few minutes but it was fairly easy to slow the game down when we were being kicked everytime we went near the ball.
Supporters - have been to Sutton many times and have never had anything but a good day/night out but last night was completely different the behaviour of some of your supporters was a disgrace. Threatening and confronting Weston staff, supporters and players, trying to start fights with anybody that moved. Not what you expect at this level and not good to see. Hopefully just a one off.
Stewarding - worst I've ever seen, how can you have stewards threatening players and opposition supporters while encouraging moronic behaviour from your own fans
Attendance - you must be using Ken Dodd's accountant if you think there were over 300 there last night. 75-100 absolute maximum.
And last but by no means least the match itself - 1st half, you were outplayed from the first minute and seemed to think that being physical and kicking people was the only tractic you had available. 2nd half you were better but any attempt to play, by either team was spoilt by the crap ref.
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Post by johnnie1 on Mar 27, 2013 12:54:14 GMT
You slowed the game down at every possible opportunity after going 2-0 up including kicking the ball away, diving and having friendly chats with the ref. I counted, on the camera with timing on it, 14 minutes of second half stoppage. Christ, I even had to dangle over the barriers to retrieve the ball on occasion after your players could not be arsed. Were you watching another game?
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Post by Andy K on Mar 27, 2013 13:22:31 GMT
Travelling seagull,
I don't think there is any doubt on here that you guys deserved your win. But come on, you really thought we were that physical? You must have seen some very light touch games this season. Football is a physical sport and I didn't think there was much difference between Weston and us last night.
I agree with Johnnie that the time wasting was evident certainly more than "the last few minutes" and evident in the first half. In my opinion, I don't blame your side for that. Going 2-0 up at potentially a tough game and then snuffing the game out in such a way paid our side respect that our first half performance probably didn't really deserve. I do, however blame the ref for not taking control of that situation earlier, and then maybe we could have both had a better game of football.
As for the supporters and the stewarding. I can say from where I was standing (with the majority of the Sutton supporters were standing) that there was a lot of frustration being vented towards the ref. There was certainly no encouragement from the Stewards at all in what you call "moronic behaviour" just a hardy bunch of volunteers giving up their time on a very cold night to do a job, which from where I was standing, very well too.
Best of luck for the rest of the season. It was evident on last nights performance that you are not where you are in the table down to good fortune.
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Post by seanwsm on Mar 27, 2013 13:27:12 GMT
I am guilty of letting my feelings be known to the ref, their players, management and their silly old duffers sitting in the posh seats, and it felt nice  How very classy of you. I'm glad i was working last night, if i had have been there and seen you "letting your feelings be known to the silly old duffers, you'd have been feeling something. I didn't realise that Weston had an obligation to keep the home team and their fans happy, I'll mention it to the manager on Saturday to ensure that there is no repeat of this shocking winning of football games away from home. Mr Doswell seems to forget that he was the manager of the most cynical team this league has ever seen. Anyway best of luck for the rest of the season and i look forward to our next piss up. |
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Post by Amber Aleman on Mar 27, 2013 13:32:49 GMT
For the record, all season ticket holders are included in the attendance figure even if they don't turn up. (I believe this is standard practice.) So there weren't actually 300 paying spectators present - although I'm pretty sure there were more than 100! The card count - one red each, with Weston ahead 4-3 on yellows - does suggest a rugged approach by both sides (even allowing for inconsistent refereeing). I do recall one bad challenge by Sutton's Sam Rents for which he was booked. But Weston certainly committed their share of ugly fouls, with numbers 2 (Price) and 11 (Trowbridge) notable offenders who picked up yellow cards. And nobody's yet mentioned that Jamie Stuart throw-in.  |
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Post by nigcapgue on Mar 27, 2013 13:41:58 GMT
Weston supporter here, thought I had to comment on some of the nonsense on here. The ref was shocking but he was shocking for both sides, allowing your cloggers to kick or players up and down the pitch (at one stage Naby Diallo was fouled 4 times on one run and still didn't get a free kick!!) and then giving free kicks for nothing challenges. Time wasting - yes we slowed the game down a bit in the last few minutes but it was fairly easy to slow the game down when we were being kicked everytime we went near the ball. Supporters - have been to Sutton many times and have never had anything but a good day/night out but last night was completely different the behaviour of some of your supporters was a disgrace. Threatening and confronting Weston staff, supporters and players, trying to start fights with anybody that moved. Not what you expect at this level and not good to see. Hopefully just a one off. Stewarding - worst I've ever seen, how can you have stewards threatening players and opposition supporters while encouraging moronic behaviour from your own fans Attendance - you must be using Ken Dodd's accountant if you think there were over 300 there last night. 75-100 absolute maximum. And last but by no means least the match itself - 1st half, you were outplayed from the first minute and seemed to think that being physical and kicking people was the only tractic you had available. 2nd half you were better but any attempt to play, by either team was spoilt by the crap ref. You have your opinion we have ours. It was quite clear to all that after the second goal your team had no intention of playing & delayed time and time again. From the crowd point of view I am aware that there were at least 250 in the ground and I know of a least 30 who were season ticket holders away on other business |
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Post by garethl on Mar 27, 2013 13:56:54 GMT
Didn't think the game was remotely physical. Just poorly officiated. You are always going to get the odd bad tackle and most of those were actually dealt with, the only thing the referee did manage. Unfortunately a one eyed supporter might come to that conclusion given the ridiculous amounts of time WSM spent on the ground, pathetic. The most obvious example was the 7's dive in the 1st half which somehow the ref and assistant couldn't spot. Some of the calls for treatment were just unreal. All led from a weak, out of depth, referee. He shouldn't be allowed to do it at this level again. WSM won't care about any of this, they got their 3 points and are on track for the play offs. I think it likely that anyone going up this year will be seen back pretty quickly (or for some they might just bypass a couple of leagues on the way down).
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Post by travellingseagull on Mar 27, 2013 14:00:02 GMT
For the record, all season ticket holders are included in the attendance figure even if they don't turn up. (I believe this is standard practice.) So there weren't actually 300 paying spectators present - although I'm pretty sure there were more than 100! Agreed I just thought it was funny especially as I got abuse on the way out of the ground over the fact that Weston only get 200 supporters and weren't a big enough club to be in the playoffs (only with some slightly more choice language thrown in) The card count - one red each, with Weston ahead 4-3 on yellows - does suggest a rugged approach by both sides (even allowing for inconsistent refereeing). I do recall one bad challenge by Sutton's Sam Rents for which he was booked. But Weston certainly committed their share of ugly fouls, with numbers 2 (Price) and 11 (Trowbridge) notable offenders who picked up yellow cards. Naby's red was for retaliating when your player tried to take his head off, not for a tackle. Price's booking followed the best dive this side of London 2012, he never got within two feet of your player, Trowbridge was a bad tackle and McClaggon's booking was for being treated after he'd been kicked for the umpteenth time and the ref had called on our physio (p.s. good to see your keeper running 40 yards to try and punch our middle-aged physio, very classy) not sure how you can be booked for being kicked! All of your bookings were for persistent fouling and your manager was sent off for throwing punches in the dugout |
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Post by bornatotter on Mar 27, 2013 14:20:53 GMT
Meanwhile, back in the real world....
Just a point on attendances - it was always going to be tough, leaving aside the huge turnout from down the M4 getting behind their side as they seriously challenge for the playoffs.......
Last night in the Conf Nat Gateshead didn't get many more than us and Hyde and Braintree were around the four hundred mark - was always going to be one of those nights and so it proved at all levels in the non league game
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Post by sallycat on Mar 27, 2013 14:53:42 GMT
Why on earth does it matter how many people turned up for this match or that, or that Weston didn't bring many? Obviously it's our problem if we need to get our crowds up; why should we care about theirs and why should they care about ours? If someone did have a dig at the wsm fan about their crowds (and I'm not doubting you) then I really don't see the point. They won the game after all. I would take it as a compliment if anything Weston, fair play to you for maintaining a half-decent side despite the small crowds.
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Post by travellingseagull on Mar 27, 2013 15:15:36 GMT
I would take it as a compliment if anything Weston, fair play to you for maintaining a half-decent side despite the small crowds. Definitely took it as a compliment, smallest budget in the league, very young squad, loads of travelling expenses because of our location and we're still in the playoffs, while teams with twice or three times our budget are struggling. And we own our ground and don't have a penny of outstanding debt. |
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Post by garethl on Mar 27, 2013 15:23:12 GMT
I would take it as a compliment if anything Weston, fair play to you for maintaining a half-decent side despite the small crowds. Definitely took it as a compliment, smallest budget in the league, very young squad, loads of travelling expenses because of our location and we're still in the playoffs, while teams with twice or three times our budget are struggling. And we own our ground and don't have a penny of outstanding debt. Whilst I don't doubt you haven't got a huge budget where do you get your information from about every other club in the league? Thanks. But well done on the rest. |
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Post by travellingseagull on Mar 27, 2013 15:29:50 GMT
Whilst I don't doubt you haven't got a huge budget where do you get your information from about every other club in the league? Thanks. From talking to other clubs and players, and especially from quotes that we've had when we've tried to sign players and been told that they're currently on twice or more what we can offer plus info from our own chairman and board. We had an example recently where enquiries were made about a player and the other manager actually laughed when told what we could offer!! Add to that the amount of clubs with unpaid tax bills, wages and other debts and you can fairly easily make a decent guess at their budgets. But well done on the rest. Thanks |
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Post by garethl on Mar 27, 2013 15:37:28 GMT
Oh right, so mainly hearsay. Where do Sutton stand in the scheme of things, top, middle, or bottom roughly? What about Billericay, are they on much more there? I thought I had heard a couple of musings from their fans that they were on the lowest budget.
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