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Post by Andy K on May 9, 2013 16:41:56 GMT
At the end of the day whenever you enter the grounds of a public place (whether it be a pub, shopping centre, football ground etc), the owner/leaseholder of that place can put any rules in there that they like. The allowing of drums could well put off more people that it would bring in. I'm pretty sure the board would be open to any suggestion in changing the ground rules and regs as long as it was quantified by a well thought out case for change.
There is a strong argument in being good neighbours too. We do want to have a reputation of being a welcoming club, and regardless of my own personal thoughts on drums (which actually are irrelevant in this case), a few people's joy at banging a drum for 90mins would be outweighed by the nuisance factors.
And in addition to that, everything that Garethl said!
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Post by sallycat on May 9, 2013 16:59:57 GMT
Anyone who thinks that rule is outdated or that those enforcing it are "jobsworths" (come off it, what authority or credibility would anyone have if they ignored their own rules?!) should take the matter up with those who pushed for said rules to be put in place to begin with. That is, the local residents, who aren't happy to listen to drum-banging as late as 10:30pm, which is what would happen if we'd gone to extra time and penalties. It was basically at their insistence that the noise/drum regulation was put into force.
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Post by Del on May 9, 2013 17:12:55 GMT
I don't believe there is a noise regulation.Just a drum regulation & surely with decent size crowds a drum would be drowned out.
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Post by sallycat on May 9, 2013 17:17:59 GMT
The ground regulations state:
"It is forbidden to bring...drums, vuvuzelas...or other similar articles onto the Club premises - such items may be confiscated; ...to cause unnecessary noise such as from radios or whistles"
The vuvuzelas are new since I last checked the regs!
I don't think crowd noise would ever drown out drum noise. Drums are musical instruments and designed to produce a sound that will carry. Drums also make a higher-frequency noise than human beings cheering, singing or shouting, so will always carry above crowd noise. I think the crowd would have to be above the capacity of the ground to drown out a drum! And it might drown out the crowd noise from your perspective within that crowd, but noise is always relative and because of that higher-frequency sound, the drum would always be heard above the crowd from outside the ground.
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Post by johnnie1 on May 9, 2013 17:24:10 GMT
Well we now have something to discuss over the summer!
At the Tooting vs Dulwich game I went to film, the drums Dulwich brought in definitely made the atmosphere better and their fans certainly weren't drowned out inside the ground, neither were Tooting's. I guess it isn't really up for debate, regulations are regulations, but it is an interesting topic.
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Post by jencor on May 9, 2013 17:26:09 GMT
The ground regulations state: "It is forbidden to bring...drums, vuvuzelas...or other similar articles onto the Club premises - such items may be confiscated; ...to cause unnecessary noise such as from radios or whistles" The vuvuzelas are new since I last checked the regs! I don't think crowd noise would ever drown out drum noise. Drums are musical instruments and designed to produce a sound that will carry. Drums also make a higher-frequency noise than human beings cheering, singing or shouting, so will always carry above crowd noise. I think the crowd would have to be above the capacity of the ground to drown out a drum! And it might drown out the crowd noise from your perspective within that crowd, but noise is always relative and because of that higher-frequency sound, the drum would always be heard above the crowd from outside the ground. I think a certain Dame Helen Mirren might agree with your last paragraph! :-) |
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Post by markf2 on May 9, 2013 17:28:09 GMT
Problem is most of those who bring a drum can't actually play the bloody thing & it's just a thus thud that brings no atmosphere to a game whatsoever. If w were getting gates of 1500 plus every week then maybe they would be ok. TBH, I didn't think the Godalming drummer was that audible last night and brought no change to the general tone of the evening. It was more like a well attended pre-season friendly both on & off the pitch.
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Post by Jared on May 9, 2013 17:37:25 GMT
Dartford away last year was symbolic of how utter turd drums can be and most often are. Some kid with an over-inflated ego drowning out chants whilst playing badly. Drums are tinpot and they stifle organic, spontaneous crowd reaction. And as for the neighbours the club have had complaints from them over daft and not so daft issues in the past, so it's not worth the risk, nor is it fair on them.
As for the game last night. Utter, utter shambles. Still it could be worse, we could be carshalton fans!
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Post by sallycat on May 9, 2013 17:43:35 GMT
I agree with Mark.
Johnnie, your point of view is perfectly valid, but drums would tend not to drown out crowd noise from INSIDE the ground! Not really from outside either, but the drum noise would carry farther.
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Post by jd on May 9, 2013 20:08:46 GMT
Drums at football matches are awful, as someone said above they stand in the way of spontaneous vocal encouragement and I applaud the enforcement of the rule. However, you do have a problem with at least some of your stewards.
At this point I have to declare an interest as a follower of your near and dear neighbours, Carshalton Athletic. I've been to Gangrene Lane on numerous occasions to support them and I have to say I have always been made very welcome, both by the officials and supporters of your club. However, I have also been to games as a neutral and witnessed a couple of examples of dubious stewarding. On the last occasion, against Tunbridge Angels I went with a friend who was just starting to appreciate the virtues of non-league football and though it pains me to say fancied your lot as the ground was within easy walking distance of his house. Having had a pre-match pint in your bar he'd noted the location of the gents and when he needed to go during the second half started to set off down the tunnel. Not allowed, apparently, while the match is in progress. Fair enough, but the way in which he was 'directed' to the ones at the corner of the ground didn't impress him at all. He was spitting blood when he rejoined me. As he said, manners cost nothing and he wasn't going anywhere again where he was treated as an imbecile. One lost supporter.
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Post by markn on May 10, 2013 7:46:02 GMT
If I want to listen to drums all night, I will go and see a band. On Wednesday I was hoping to see a good game of football. Sadly, that didnt happen but if people were banging drums all night, it would have been worse.
I assume that the Surrey FA were unaware of the drums ban as it must have got in through one of the turnstiles. I got told soon after doing the gate that drums were not allowed due to the neighbours so it can't be a new thing.
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