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Post by wellie on May 3, 2014 21:44:08 GMT
A gutless performance by most of our team today.Dover wanted it more than us and got their reward.I think their keeper only had one save to make in the whole game!I have no problem with us getting beaten but not in the manner we did today.Some of our players should be bloody ashamed as they let themselves the club and the fans down. Also i understand the Final will be on BT Sport so we have also missed out on a bundle of cash. Hope someone at the Club has been and bought a big can of oil as the "Revolving Door"will need to be in perfect working order. Sorry if my comments seem harsh but believe me i have toned it down greatly since i returned to Kent this evening.   |
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Post by Andy K on May 3, 2014 21:46:00 GMT
A change of management may get us a play off win. But you can be sure a change of management won't get us anywhere near the play offs to win.
Maybe an opinion by in my opinion a totally idiotic one.
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Post by ambertaff on May 3, 2014 22:04:56 GMT
Under Dos we have been on an upward curve, Ryman Playoffs x2, Ryman Champions, Conf S 5th, 6th, 2nd. So a manager (in any walk of life or business -not just football) who is achieving this sort of track record without requiring massive injections of other peoples cash is deserving continued support.
But the bit I can't get my head around is what happens after the end of the season proper - not just the playoffs but also the Surrey Senior which once upon a time was very important to us. There is a trend here which is difficult to understand given the club's cup heritage (and playoffs are cup games by a different name). Any ideas?
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Post by os on May 3, 2014 22:24:29 GMT
I couldn't imagine the club without Dos at the helm tbh, he is part of the fabric now and it would be a sadder day today if we had won but lost Dos. Paul makes us tick, he has taken us from being beaten every week, relegation, crowds of 300, and won us the Ryman league title and has taken us to the verge of conference premier football. Not only that but his influence around the club has restored our pride, and the only reason for such disappointment today is the bar he raised.
This is a guy who works for nothing, and is going to build us a terrace, and will take us to the prem of that I have no doubt what so ever.
If Cardiff had Dos they would not have been relegated!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by ambertaff on May 3, 2014 22:44:58 GMT
So maybe what we are seeing is a club which under Dos' leadership is playing above itself to achieve very strong league positions and when it comes to the "cup" games after the end of the season proper just hasn't got the puff left to continue to perform as well in playoffs / Surrey Senior finals as it has in the league. Possibly two conclusions: [1] We out perform our natural level because of superb leadership. [2] The depth of the squad is not sufficient to sustain this performance for the "extra mile" of end of season "cup games" whilst other sides might be raising their game for these "cup games". |
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Post by os on May 3, 2014 23:17:29 GMT
So maybe what we are seeing is a club which under Dos' leadership is playing above itself to achieve very strong league positions and when it comes to the "cup" games after the end of the season proper just hasn't got the puff left to continue to perform as well in playoffs / Surrey Senior finals as it has in the league. Possibly two conclusions: [1] We out perform our natural level because of superb leadership. [2] The depth of the squad is not sufficient to sustain this performance for the "extra mile" of end of season "cup games" whilst other sides might be raising their game for these "cup games". I certainly think depth of squad plays a part, Dos likes quality rather than quanity, and we did rather run out of players. How you address that and stay within buget I am sure will give Dos something to think about? As for the SSC I think squad depth there is the major player, and the league and FA cup rightly come first. |
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Post by medibot on May 4, 2014 1:55:01 GMT
This would all be a lovely jolly and happy discussion if we'd just lost a big game, 11 v 11, and that was that.
Unfortunately, what actually happened is we were handed a glorious opportunity to attack a team who were down to ten men, at home, in front of twice our normal home gate, for 85 minutes, and we absolutely bottled it.
Yes, we weren't full strength, and yes, apparently it is fine to lunge in dangerously and smash Will Spetch's ankle to pieces without even getting a talking to from a ref who was then totally mugged off for timewasting by Dover but we had an age against ten men and we couldn't find a goal.
Utterly gutless, utterly embarrassing and a depressing realisation that certain people can't take on and apply basic instructions when the going gets tough.
I'm bored and fucked off with people picking up good money and strolling around like they're professional footballers when all they're really doing is clinging on to the edge of a cliff of being a "'baller" before the reality of real life smacks them round the head.
There's shed load of talent and some very nice people in our side and our record this year has been superb but today, the going got tough and our boys fucked it off and that's why we are in the Conference South.
One defeat in 2014 before today now means nothing. What a waste.
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Post by medibot on May 4, 2014 2:40:22 GMT
And by the way, change of management?
If that's not a troll, it's a lunatic.
Paul Doswell, for any faults that have been exposed today, is still the best thing that has ever happened to Sutton United in the last fifteen years.
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Post by garethl on May 4, 2014 5:51:47 GMT
No discussion to be had on Dos. One guy who probably supports a Premier League/Championship side used to changing managers after every bad result. Dos will leave on his own terms at some point in a few years time.
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Post by kalaharidave on May 4, 2014 6:43:26 GMT
Hi Dover fan here. Not on to gloat but to comment. First, you've been great opposition this season and I feared the worst when we scrapped through to the playoffs and faced a team 12 points better than us. Play offs are one (or two) offs and like all these things 'rules' and form tends to go to the wall. When our skipper was red carded I feared the worst, yet also felt that all the things we've criticised our manager for all season might come good. We know how to defend and have a star winger and a couple of v g front men who work well on the break. These proved to be the decisive factors, not the sending off or the. Modeste tackle (which I haven't seen, but no doubt the highlights will reveal).
You must be gutted but any talk if manager change is heat of the moment madness. If he can keep this squad together and add you'll have another good season next time.
Good luck for 2014-15... Unless we are still in conf south next year! A long way for us still to go- and we've got to play Ebbsfleet on Monday too in the Kent Cup Final.
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Post by keith8 on May 4, 2014 7:50:21 GMT
As a Dover fan, but one that looks things in a fair and unbiased way heres my thoughts on the two legs.
I should start by saying Dover didn't really deserve to be in the play off's the home record was awful,
and even right up to the last game it was only Havant opening a closed door for them by not scoring a penanly and missing an open goal!
But back to the first leg at crabble, Sutton really outplayed Dover for most of the game and really should have done better than the one goal they secured.
They were a class above Dover full of ideas(although a bit short in front of goal) Sutton's passing out of defence was often classy, and confident.
Dover got the luck of the equaliser at maybe the best time of the first half just before half time.
Although Dover still didn't move away from humping the ball high(which your big defenders won every time ) it was a little end to end, and your keeper made an outstanding save in the second half.
We then moved to the second leg, the ref was right in sending off the Dover player and everyone thought it woyld be an uphill battle, but it appeared to inspire Dover more than it did Sutton.
Sutton appeared to be nervous certaintly didn't play as well as they did at crabble.
This really let in Dover, and once Dover scored Suttons heads dropped, and a lot of the Sutton players(number 7 etc) walked around as though it didn't matter, or had just lost hope.
of course Dover added 2 more and really it was game over.
Sutton showed they had a good professional side when they came to crabble, which they should build on.
Modest, the number 11 and elder who held up the ball certainly made the difference in the second leg.
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Post by Del on May 4, 2014 8:10:37 GMT
There have been a lot of poor comments on here about the players not trying or caring.In my opinion that is absolute rubbish.They all gave 100% but at the end of the day didn't have the guile to break down the Dover rearguard.Unfortunately we couldn't called on Slabber & Binns who i sure would be game changers.We started off brightly enough but when Spetch went off injured it was a big blow.We laboured after that and King seemed to have lost his confidence.Marvin hasn't obtained full match fitness yet and our squad wasn't quite big enough.Talk of oiling the doors on the revolving door would be silly as we do have some good players and just need to add to them.
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Post by sallycat on May 4, 2014 8:20:56 GMT
Jencor: indeed *sardonic chuckle* But the bit I can't get my head around is what happens after the end of the season proper - not just the playoffs but also the Surrey Senior which once upon a time was very important to us. There is a trend here which is difficult to understand given the club's cup heritage (and playoffs are cup games by a different name). Any ideas? You seen our FA Cup record in the 10 years or so before Dos? Compare it to what Dos has achieved since. Not one 1st round proper appearance from 1995-2008 and under Dos, and 4 times in 6 seasons since. Funny how knockout comps get these trends Danny: aren't we being a little reactionary and might we get a sense of perspective here? I'm not sure if you're deliberately trying to get a reaction or just bafflingly ignorant (since you post on here then surely you must be aware of at least some club news from time to time). I'm not saying Dos is the God of Football whom we should all worship, but suggesting we chuck him out on his ear for losing one (albeit very important) game, after all he's done for the club? This club was stagnating when he arrived. We'd just been relegated and morale was appallingly low. He came in full of ideas and made huge sweeping changes to how things were run and although some of us weren't sure at first it's now obvious that we needed it. He works his arse off for us and doesn't even take a wage for it. He's got us our three highest ever Conf South finishes in the 3 seasons he's managed us in it; he is putting a LOT of his time and money into the club off the pitch, which isn't even part of his job, and bearing in mind we've lost nothing from not going up, just failed to gain a promotion that only one out of four sides could secure, and you're talking about getting shot of him? Good grief, what's wrong with your judgement? We don't have to worship the guy, but he's just got us a second place finish, so if you can find another manager who wants to work for free and can achieve that sort of thing on our limited resources, I'd like to know who that is! Dover fans: Thank you for your comments. You were very gracious in victory. |
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Post by exiledsufc on May 4, 2014 8:23:17 GMT
Feeling down after being let down by the team yesterday.Thy just did not turn up.Can't say Dover got their tactics right,they only have one way of playing,hump it forward,and get all the team behind the ball when defending,but they wanted it more than us yesterday,we were awful,passes going to the opposition ,time after time,to slow in moving the ball forward,allowing them to get back,exposing our lack of idea's of how to score against a packed defence,i though the ref was even out of his depth,Modest should have walked for that tackle,completely over the top of the ball,a leg breaking challenge,and doing nothing to stop the time wasting.
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Post by garethl on May 4, 2014 8:29:00 GMT
Delboy agreed 100%. Will be interesting if we can retain Spillane. There are a couple of areas to concentrate on and of course we will lose Jason. I would go back with Lovelock as he was generally very good and hopefully learnt something playing and training with Jason.
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