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Post by johnnie1 on Oct 8, 2017 13:56:00 GMT
I'd certainly be in favour of a ground share rather than refusing promotion especially if only temporary
Having said that, I could be wrong but I thought a ground share would have to be agreed early as to make it clear you're not just doing it to avoid ground grading essentially. This would mean we either arrange a deal for next season regardless of whether or not we go up, which could be a disaster, or leave it altogether.
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Post by kpinwp on Oct 8, 2017 15:53:12 GMT
I believe that Paul Doswell said, in the BBC Radio London interview from Saturday that 'if we're in a position to get promoted then we would take it'.
So, either pitch change or groundshare, I guess?
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Post by backhome2016 on Oct 8, 2017 16:42:00 GMT
If we go up, the pitch comes up, and bang goes the Sutton United business/community model. I'd love to see this club climb higher but it MUST be on the club's terms otherwise the club is changed irrevocably. Ground share? Plummeting season ticket holders and attendances. Promotion and grass? The need to compete as a full-time club with increased salaries and money spent on squad strengthening, all on the back of - what - 3000-4000 crowds, with the threat of relegation back to the NL (with the loss of our business model) that would (possibly) see us unravel. Also, would Dos go full time?
On a lighter note, if you peek onto the pitch close to the advertising boards you will see that real tufts of grass do grow on the 3G!!
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Post by Stewart on Oct 8, 2017 17:06:33 GMT
If we go up, the pitch comes up, and bang goes the Sutton United business/community model. I'd love to see this club climb higher but it MUST be on the club's terms otherwise the club is changed irrevocably. Ground share? Plummeting season ticket holders and attendances. Promotion and grass? The need to compete as a full-time club with increased salaries and money spent on squad strengthening, all on the back of - what - 3000-4000 crowds, with the threat of relegation back to the NL (with the loss of our business model) that would (possibly) see us unravel. Also, would Dos go full time? Maybe it time for a meet the manager evening
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Oct 8, 2017 18:35:50 GMT
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Post by Nick the Greek/The Speshul One on Oct 8, 2017 18:35:50 GMT
If we go up, the pitch comes up, and bang goes the Sutton United business/community model. I'd love to see this club climb higher but it MUST be on the club's terms otherwise the club is changed irrevocably. Ground share? Plummeting season ticket holders and attendances. Promotion and grass? The need to compete as a full-time club with increased salaries and money spent on squad strengthening, all on the back of - what - 3000-4000 crowds, with the threat of relegation back to the NL (with the loss of our business model) that would (possibly) see us unravel. Also, would Dos go full time? Maybe it time for a meet the manager evening Maybe it is a bit early in the season for one. We are lucky and privileged that the club and management agree to do these types of events and shouldn't really be calling for them ourselves.
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Post by brisfitboy on Oct 8, 2017 18:43:56 GMT
Leatherhead, Banstead or somewhere in Croydon!
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Post by garethl on Oct 8, 2017 18:44:33 GMT
One way or another I’m sure we’ll accept a promotion if the opportunity came and it would be on our ground. No reason why we can’t continue part time given it is already working against many full time clubs.
The situation would be an absolute mess if the football league vote for 3G from 2019 and 1 of the 3 with it this year got promoted for 2018. Surely some agreement would be reached to avoid a ludricous waste of money!
Moving to another ground would be a huge no for me. Not only is there not a suitable local ground I just couldn’t countenance personally the possibility of us potentially spending the only time in our history in the football league not in our home!
Obviously a long long way to go before this becomes relevant. As Dos says in his interview after the game let’s tick off the survival figure first!
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Oct 8, 2017 20:06:46 GMT
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Post by Andy K on Oct 8, 2017 20:06:46 GMT
Ridiculous.
Some people commenting about groundshare from a purely selfish individual perspective.
Far too many variables and a lot of things we don't know. I have total faith in the club making the right decision whatever the options are.
Someone who will judge that choice solely based on their own personal convenience is someone I'd have very little time for, regardless of how much of a "good" supporter they think they are.
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Oct 8, 2017 20:17:53 GMT
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Post by Amber Aleman on Oct 8, 2017 20:17:53 GMT
This isn't an issue that can be kicked into the long grass (pardon the metaphor). The longer that Sutton stay in or around the top seven (the same is true of Bromley and Maidstone) the more likely it becomes that people will ask what the situation would be if we're in a play-off place (or better!) on 29 April.
My understanding is that the club would not rip up the 3G pitch (for the very good reasons alluded to above by Backhome2016). If neither the National League nor EFL changes its stance on 3G before the end of the season then the club could be facing some very awkward decisions. They might be about ground-sharing (though I suspect there are EFL rules on that), but might also be about whether to throw a match in order to avoid finishing in a 'promotion position'.
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Oct 8, 2017 20:29:07 GMT
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Post by localboy86 on Oct 8, 2017 20:29:07 GMT
Leatherhead, Banstead or somewhere in Croydon! Are these your possible groundshare options? Football League criteria stipulates a club needs to have a minimum of 1,000 seats I think so that would rule out these three, also Leatherhead currently already have Kingstonian as tenants. Be interesting to see how this all pans out as the season progresses.
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Post by garethl on Oct 8, 2017 20:34:32 GMT
This isn't an issue that can be kicked into the long grass (pardon the metaphor). The longer that Sutton stay in or around the top seven (the same is true of Bromley and Maidstone) the more likely it becomes that people will ask what the situation would be if we're in a play-off place (or better!) on 29 April. My understanding is that the club would not rip up the 3G pitch (for the very good reasons alluded to above by Backhome2016). If neither the National League nor EFL changes its stance on 3G before the end of the season then the club could be facing some very awkward decisions. They might be about ground-sharing (though I suspect there are EFL rules on that), but might also be about whether to throw a match in order to avoid finishing in a 'promotion position'. The public statement from Dos said that we would take promotion if it came. Maybe that needs to be the stated position. If you’re right re 3G it becomes a mess! I guess there is a lot happening behind the scenes to work out the best course of action. I would hope fan opinion would be considered if an option like groundshare ever gets put on the table! Maybe it isn’t, unless those more in the know have heard otherwise this is only speculation. I can’t even think of one appropriate place to groundshare anyway!! Maybe we’ll do a Spurs and pop in a retractable grass pitch!!
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Post by Del on Oct 8, 2017 21:00:12 GMT
Did i hear that ground sharing with Winchester was Dos's preferred option !
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Oct 8, 2017 23:56:57 GMT
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Post by usus2 on Oct 8, 2017 23:56:57 GMT
Surely the most practical approach will be to share a ground for the first season. This keeps the revenue stream alive for the club and saves the expense of tearing up the current surface. If the FL is more than one season then by then either the rules will have changed or we can tear up the pitch for year two.
The only thing we know about tearing up the current pitch is that it reduces our revenue and decreases our community club status.
We operate in a practical world ant not an ideal world, sometimes we the fans need to accept this.
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Post by kpinwp on Oct 8, 2017 23:57:19 GMT
Ridiculous. Some people commenting about groundshare from a purely selfish individual perspective. Far too many variables and a lot of things we don't know. I have total faith in the club making the right decision whatever the options are. Someone who will judge that choice solely based on their own personal convenience is someone I'd have very little time for, regardless of how much of a "good" supporter they think they are. A bit tough-love but I'd largely agree with that. Short term comfort sacrifices might have to be made. For the opportunity to compete (and why shouldn't we survive?) in the 2nd Div. it would be worth it. And I'd certainly go with the trust in club line. All the 'big' calls over the last few years have been very much the right ones. So, the consensus seems to be; we do take promotion (if we can get it)and the 3G most definitely stays. Which leaves a (hopefully) one year ground share, although I do understand the issues with finding a suitable location as many have pointed out. Or, some kind of deal that we have no knowledege of at this stage.
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Post by Steve D on Oct 9, 2017 0:43:40 GMT
England have just played Lithuania in a World Cup qualifier on an artificial pitch, yet the EFL still outlaw them
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