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Post by jamesmichaelcooper on Feb 6, 2018 12:49:50 GMT
How much are those retractable pitches?
Can I be the first to start the rumour that we're looking at one of those, a 3g one that can be retracted off and under this 'new Boreham Wood style' stand and sit on the rec whilst the first team play on a new grass pitch, and then bring the 3g back in for the rest of the week for everyone else to play on?
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Post by localboy86 on Feb 6, 2018 13:14:02 GMT
Isn’t there plans to removed the rec terrace and curved terrace in the summer for a new seated stand similar to the one at Boreham Wood? Are these rumours correct... Where did you hear these rumours? Must be made up.. |
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Post by ryooon1999 on Feb 6, 2018 13:21:56 GMT
Isn’t there plans to removed the rec terrace and curved terrace in the summer for a new seated stand similar to the one at Boreham Wood? Are these rumours correct... Where did you hear these rumours? Must be made up.. Can’t remember tbh I think it was a few months ago I heard it but can’t remember from who.... |
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Post by amberchoc on Feb 6, 2018 14:38:00 GMT
How much are those retractable pitches? Can I be the first to start the rumour that we're looking at one of those, a 3g one that can be retracted off and under this 'new Boreham Wood style' stand and sit on the rec whilst the first team play on a new grass pitch, and then bring the 3g back in for the rest of the week for everyone else to play on? Yes, I'm sure Dos wouldn't mind funding that!!
I wonder if somebody could clarify something for me (this may have been stated before, but I can’t keep up!). If a club with 3G finishes in a play-off position but declines to give an undertaking to relay grass, do the existing rules exclude them from the play-offs? That would actually make sense because otherwise it’d be unfair on the other teams in the play-off positions if they were to get knocked out by a club that can’t go up anyway.
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Post by SG on Feb 6, 2018 15:21:56 GMT
How much are those retractable pitches? Can I be the first to start the rumour that we're looking at one of those, a 3g one that can be retracted off and under this 'new Boreham Wood style' stand and sit on the rec whilst the first team play on a new grass pitch, and then bring the 3g back in for the rest of the week for everyone else to play on? Yes, I'm sure Dos wouldn't mind funding that!!
I wonder if somebody could clarify something for me (this may have been stated before, but I can’t keep up!). If a club with 3G finishes in a play-off position but declines to give an undertaking to relay grass, do the existing rules exclude them from the play-offs? That would actually make sense because otherwise it’d be unfair on the other teams in the play-off positions if they were to get knocked out by a club that can’t go up anyway.
Pretty sure all the three clubs with 3G in the NL this season have already given that undertaking to rip up the pitch if they get promoted. |
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Post by os on Feb 6, 2018 17:52:22 GMT
Yes, I'm sure Dos wouldn't mind funding that!!
I wonder if somebody could clarify something for me (this may have been stated before, but I can’t keep up!). If a club with 3G finishes in a play-off position but declines to give an undertaking to relay grass, do the existing rules exclude them from the play-offs? That would actually make sense because otherwise it’d be unfair on the other teams in the play-off positions if they were to get knocked out by a club that can’t go up anyway.
Pretty sure all the three clubs with 3G in the NL this season have already given that undertaking to rip up the pitch if they get promoted. As stated we like all clubs in the National signed up to league rules, they state failure to accept the promotion means a double relegation. EFL rules do not allow 3G pitches and any rule change will not take effect until season 19/20. It's horrible but a fact.. |
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Post by Amber Aleman on Feb 6, 2018 19:15:09 GMT
I don't think anybody's answered Amberchoc's question. I'm not entirely sure (and am happy to be corrected), but my understanding is that any National League club finishing in a play-off position has to then take part in the play-offs. It's not open to a club to opt out because it doesn't want to take up its 3G pitch. The only basis on which a club might be excluded from the play-offs is if its ground falls significantly short of the EFL's grading standards (which are to do with things like number of seats and turnstiles, not the nature of the pitch).
The National League ethos is built around offering viable promotees to the EFL. The presumption is that if you're doing better than treading water in the NL then you must be prepared to do whatever's necessary to take the step up.
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Post by Del on Feb 6, 2018 19:21:10 GMT
Pretty sure all the three clubs with 3G in the NL this season have already given that undertaking to rip up the pitch if they get promoted. As stated we like all clubs in the National signed up to league rules, they state failure to accept the promotion means a double relegation. EFL rules do not allow 3G pitches and any rule change will not take effect until season 19/20. It's horrible but a fact.. So we ground share for a season. |
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Post by os on Feb 6, 2018 21:10:32 GMT
As stated we like all clubs in the National signed up to league rules, they state failure to accept the promotion means a double relegation. EFL rules do not allow 3G pitches and any rule change will not take effect until season 19/20. It's horrible but a fact.. So we ground share for a season. There is cost to ground sharing, our 3G pitch will be 1yr older and nearing its natural replacement time, and thats if (still a big if) the EFL clubs vote in favour. I can see the dilemma the club is facing.. |
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Post by amberchoc on Feb 6, 2018 21:23:22 GMT
I don't think anybody's answered Amberchoc's question. I'm not entirely sure (and am happy to be corrected), but my understanding is that any National League club finishing in a play-off position has to then take part in the play-offs. It's not open to a club to opt out because it doesn't want to take up its 3G pitch. The only basis on which a club might be excluded from the play-offs is if its ground falls significantly short of the EFL's grading standards (which are to do with things like number of seats and turnstiles, not the nature of the pitch). The National League ethos is built around offering viable promotees to the EFL. The presumption is that if you're doing better than treading water in the NL then you must be prepared to do whatever's necessary to take the step up. So if a club (and I’m not necessarily saying us) finishes in a play-off position and says “No, we aren’t going to take up the 3G, it’s too important to the community”, they would still take part in the play-offs?!
I appreciate it’s all very hypothetical, but I’m just curious.
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Post by guildrover on Feb 6, 2018 22:15:04 GMT
We can't ground share to take promotion as Bruce Elliott already said in his interview on BT Sport before the Daggers game, it isn't allowed.
Also you are assuming that the EFL clubs will vote in favour of 3G this time. That isn't guaranteed and so we could end up ground sharing for years or biting the bullet and eventually ripping up the 3G to go back home anyway.
The rules were quite clear when we took promotion to the National League and like them or not, we signed up for it and will just have to accept it. You want to play in the EFL then you have to abide by their rules.
If the boys on the pitch earn promotion then we take our place in the EFL, take up the 3G and contribute to adding another vote in favour of 3G and lobbying from inside the EFL IMO.
Yes it will be expensive but there are plenty of people at this club who will rally round, especially after we have come so far and everyone has worked so hard for it and Paul, his staff, the players and everyone involved in running the club will have earnt their shot at it.
If you take the demotion you could be putting the club back years and the EFL still might never vote in favour of 3G. Everyone's hard work will have been for nothing, apart from proving a point that a lot of clubs in the EFL who are anti 3G probably won't listen to or care about anyway.
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Post by Del on Feb 6, 2018 22:22:27 GMT
We can't ground share to take promotion as Bruce Elliott already said in his interview on BT Sport before the Daggers game, it isn't allowed. Also you are assuming that the EFL clubs will vote in favour of 3G this time. That isn't guaranteed and so we could end up ground sharing for years or biting the bullet and eventually ripping up the 3G to go back home anyway. The rules were quite clear when we took promotion to the National League and like them or not, we signed up for it and will just have to accept it. You want to play in the EFL then you have to abide by their rules. If the boys on the pitch earn promotion then we take our place in the EFL, take up the 3G and contribute to adding another vote in favour of 3G and lobbying from inside the EFL IMO. Yes it will be expensive but there are plenty of people at this club who will rally round, especially after we have come so far and everyone has worked so hard for it and Paul, his staff, the players and everyone involved in running the club will have earnt their shot at it. If you take the demotion you could be putting the club back years and the EFL still might never vote in favour of 3G. Everyone's hard work will have been for nothing, apart from proving a point that a lot of clubs in the EFL who are anti 3G probably won't listen to or care about anyway. No i am only suggesting we ground share for 1 season if the EFL vote them in. Perhaps i missed that part of the interview when Bruce said it wasn't allowed but it just seems the sensible solution. |
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Post by halftimet on Feb 6, 2018 22:24:24 GMT
So imagine the scenario that a team with a 3G pitch loses in the play off final. Some may take the view that they threw the game deliberately to avoid ripping up their pitch .
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Post by Del on Feb 6, 2018 22:31:37 GMT
Lets just win the league and then we can speculate !  |
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Post by Stewart on Feb 7, 2018 14:44:53 GMT
The CONIFA World cup and their 3G pitch is being discussed on the Bromley forum LINK |
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