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Post by Stewart on Dec 23, 2018 12:53:57 GMT
There was some outrageous time wasting from Jamie Butler yesterday. He fooled the opposition ( and some of us) into thinking there was a goal kick. In fact the ball never went out of play.
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No point talking about the game as it’s the same story every week. But I personally thought the abuse the Sutton keeper got at the end of the game was uncalled for.
The ball never went out, hence it not being a goal kick. He knew exactly what he was doing and it was brilliant time wasting from a Sutton point of view. All of the people I watch with said the same thing.
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Hadn’t realised what happened. That was clever and within the rules. We should learn from it and maybe use it ourselves one day
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It was very clever and everyone on the pitch bar the linesman thought it was a goal kick due to him putting it in the six yard area
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Post by Big Al on Dec 23, 2018 14:45:24 GMT
So, to be clear, I wasn't there, did not see the time wasting incident and an amassive fan of JB. I am thrilled we picked up the win and always want us to come away with three points. Some Mrs like an enormously resilient performance. However from the way it's been described the non goal kick incident doesnt sound the most 'gentlemanly' of behaviour and sounds like the sort of thing that turned me off of professional football and towards non league in the first place. I know others on here will say that nothing was against the rules and the end justifies the means but surely we are better than that..
In no way do I want to take the gloss of an excellent win but there are still those of us who hate to see time wasting, feigning injury, demanding other players get booked etc etc. If Lee Worgan, for example, had employed this sort of tactic then we would have been shouting the house down...
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Post by surreyu on Dec 23, 2018 15:01:51 GMT
Think that is out of order to be honest, the ball is in play so he is doing absolutely nothing wrong. No signal from the officials so it is just appalling play by the Halifax players not to close him down and make him kick the ball. Play to the whistle, we did, they didn’t. The only people wasting that time in my opinion is their players by allowing us time on the ball.
If an opposition keeper was doing it I’d be shouting at our players to pay attention and close him down.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 15:27:25 GMT
Thought Jamie had a brilliant match .. (I see he was up for VNL GK of 2018...didn’t win it overall but I think to b in final 4 is deserved recognition and it went down well with the growing Jamie Butler fan club -well obv we think he shoulda won it but we will get over it  - pls see me, Malcolm Pearce or Paul Grimster for a badge - as for the match what a Christmas present for us all who travelled it was a special ending to our away games 2018 - the result meant so much to players and supporters and certainly made the drive home easier! I wish everyone involved with the club a very merry Christmas - roll on Boxing Day 💛⚽️💛 |
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Post by mca on Dec 23, 2018 16:18:55 GMT
Think that is out of order to be honest, the ball is in play so he is doing absolutely nothing wrong. No signal from the officials so it is just appalling play by the Halifax players not to close him down and make him kick the ball. Play to the whistle, we did, they didn’t. The only people wasting that time in my opinion is their players by allowing us time on the ball. If an opposition keeper was doing it I’d be shouting at our players to pay attention and close him down. Bit of a funny one. It's obvious it's time wasting, and id say possibly a case of mild unsportsmablike behaviour. But, it is up to everyone else to be switched on enough to see what's going on. Inventive work on JBs part |
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Post by surreyu on Dec 23, 2018 16:31:01 GMT
How can you “time waste” when the ball is in play, he’s not doing anything wrong. It’s the equivalent of a striker taking the ball to a corner flag and no defender going to tackle him
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Post by markf on Dec 23, 2018 16:31:12 GMT
Watching the groundsman forking the pitch before the game told you all you needed to know about the surface at The Shay yesterday. With little effort, it went in fully suggesting it was a tad soft underneath. And there lies the reason why some on the Halifax forum and their manager have denigrated U's approach yesterday afternoon. This was never going to be a classic on that surface; it cut up quickly and was, apparently, sapping on the legs.
After a bright first few minutes U's came under pressure for what turned out to be the only time but Jamie B and the defence stood firm to a mini-onslaught that resulted in a couple of decent efforts from outside the box. The first half saw U's forward opportunities limited with the home 'keeper rarely tested. The main talking points were a shocking tackle from Kosylo that earned a yellow and possibly should have been more - he has previous - and the removal of Bairdy from the dugout after he had the temerity to respond to a volley of abuse from one of the locals who appeared to be able to wander around the no-standing area unnoticed by the army of stewards.
Second half was much of the same, although U's were more of a threat and started testing the home defence. Running with the ball was difficult while neither side kept it well either. Harry B engineered an opportunity but hooked wide while at the other end Jamie B had to get everything behind a full bodied shot from distance.
The match was heading for a 0-0 and really it was that sort of afternoon. Craig E had a "sighter" from the edge of the box that the home 'keeper comfortably fielded before the match headed into five minutes of extras. Debut making Brett Williams made progress along the right flank and then made enough space to cross for Craig E to fire into the corner from 14 yards or so. Absolute mayhem followed amongst the 50 odd U's fans in the away corner as the players celebrated with some gusto on the corner flag.
A great three points on a pitch that having had heavy rain on it most of the week was the worst U's have played on this season and will prove difficult in the coming months; especially once the Rugby League starts again.
It wasn't only the pitch that ruined the match - the ref was bloody awful too. Fussy, pedantic to both sides and two bookings - one for each side - that were totally unmerited. Accusing Brett W of persistent infringement. Really? As stated before the challenge by Kosylo was awful and their second yellow preceded Bairdy's departure. What's worse eh, a clattering, injury threatening challenge or a response back to an out of control unsupervised home fan? I really do wonder sometimes what the FA and the referees who represent them at matches are trying to do the game. U's Boxing Day bench could have a few spare seats. I would offer to help populate the dugout but not sure I'd last long enough to keep that seat warm.
The journey back was a comfortable and happy one; a nice early Christmas present. With rumours on social media abound about last week's FA Trophy tie, all I would say if the FA is investigating then it suggests there is a case to answer but any suggestions that U's could get a reprieve are somewhat premature. I would wait for the club or the FA to announce officially and that's not likely to be this side of Christmas.
On to Bromley who have won 2 out of the last 3 against U's - a balance that needs redressing in what will be a tough seven days over the festive period.
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Post by markf on Dec 23, 2018 16:33:15 GMT
Surreyu is right; you can't time waste if the ball is in play. All that incident did was to magnify the ineptitude of the officials at Halifax. The score was goal less at the time too.
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Post by billy on Dec 23, 2018 16:41:24 GMT
So, to be clear, I wasn't there, did not see the time wasting incident and an amassive fan of JB. I am thrilled we picked up the win and always want us to come away with three points. Some Mrs like an enormously resilient performance. However from the way it's been described the non goal kick incident doesnt sound the most 'gentlemanly' of behaviour and sounds like the sort of thing that turned me off of professional football and towards non league in the first place. I know others on here will say that nothing was against the rules and the end justifies the means but surely we are better than that.. In no way do I want to take the gloss of an excellent win but there are still those of us who hate to see time wasting, feigning injury, demanding other players get booked etc etc. If Lee Worgan, for example, had employed this sort of tactic then we would have been shouting the house down... Well said,especially that bit.I suppose we must remember that Sutton United are "big time" nowadays. Oh for a trip to Colston Avenue on Boxing Day to play against our good friends and near neighbours Carshalton Athletic. |
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Post by billy on Dec 23, 2018 16:45:29 GMT
Surreyu is right; you can't time waste if the ball is in play. All that incident did was to magnify the ineptitude of the officials at Halifax. The score was goal less at the time too. Surely all the more reason to get on with it...................... |
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Post by markf on Dec 23, 2018 17:03:14 GMT
Not on that pitch Billy. And as was said what he did was not outside of the laws of the game.
Quite funny seeing the ref et al totally perplexed. Funny but not surprising.
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Post by Amber Aleman on Dec 23, 2018 17:04:59 GMT
Time-wasting or clever game management? Like it or not, it's a feature of the modern game (including at levels below the Football League) and plenty of visiting teams have done it at GGL in recent seasons. Football these days is increasingly a battle of wits as well as a physical contest, and, if one side is smarter than the other, that can make the difference between one point and three.
If the authorities decide that a particular aspect of allowable play is detracting from the game's appeal then they can change the laws (as, for example, was done with the back pass to the keeper in the 1990s).
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Post by surreyu on Dec 23, 2018 17:15:34 GMT
You couldn’t outlaw strikers not closing down the keeper though which is all that happened in this scenario.
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Post by billy on Dec 23, 2018 17:24:32 GMT
In Cricket they recently introduced a "fake fielding" law.Occasionally you would see a fielder having missed the ball ,feign a pick up and throw to put the batsmen off running.This now incurs a 5 run penalty.
I was listening on the radio and thought the Sutton goalkeeper had conned everyone bar the linesman into thinking it was a goal kick and then feigning to take it ?
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Post by markf on Dec 23, 2018 17:51:02 GMT
As I stated just shows how inept the officials were if he was able to con the ref. They're microphoned up in the NL. Complete failure to communicate and a total lack of concentration on the ref's part.
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- pls see me, Malcolm Pearce or Paul Grimster for a badge - as for the match what a Christmas present for us all who travelled it was a special ending to our away games 2018 - the result meant so much to players and supporters and certainly made the drive home easier! 
