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Post by baggiesansutton on Mar 6, 2019 11:03:38 GMT
Definitely agree with a couple of posters points losing Tommy Wright was huge, also excuse my ignorance like I said I haven't been for a while and Google doesn't provide anything but what's going on with Bailey has he left or is he just injured, thanks.
Think the main point was said by Banjo the club need to pull up a pue in the summer and have a discussion about the future. It is all good saying we aren't in relegation troubles and we have done fantastically over recent years but my worry is the aim from here and if we don't have one then regressing is always a possibility.
The point about Moors taking 50 fans everywhere if they go in league 2 is irrelevant if they deserve to go up then they deserve it, Wigan was in the prem and won the carling cup with a small fanbase it's completly irrelevant to what happens on the pitch.
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Post by Andy K on Mar 6, 2019 11:11:17 GMT
A few points to remember a) This is a reset season. To be where we are at the moment is already a fantastic achievement - Why is it a reset season? What does that even mean?b) We honestly don't have the squad or resources to go up and survive, especially with the pitch issue Irrelevant and not necessarily as promotion itself can generate resourcesc) We won't go down this season True and our historical average is as a yo-yo team between the 5th and 6th tiers so 50 points should always be celebratedd) We're still with a shout for the play offs, and just getting there with the issues we've had this year would be huge We go again at Maidenhead but quite frankly we've been toothless since we let Dundas go. e) We're not Aldershot - tough play off side last season, now looking at relegation this season. Or Boreham Wood - got to Wembley, not looking anywhere close this year No, but we easily could be.We could easily be in a relegation battle this time next year like Aldershot. Doesn't this contradict point c where surivival is the be all and end all.In response to your points: a) Try watching the managers interviews over the last few months and you may work it out b) Try reading other posts, especially from last season where the cost of removing the 3G and laying a grass pitch will mean that we seriously are under resourced. And when you look at the crowds in L2 this season are not a huge step up, and those "former non league clubs" don't get many more than we currently do c) Yo-yo team. Seriously, how long have you followed us? d) Your obsession really worries me, and to be honest that's a frankly idiotic statement, blaming all our woes on the fact that one player isn't with us anymore (however much of a legend he is) e) Your trolling isn't helping anyone, especially when you are so factually incorrect you're making yourself look like an idiot. Well done, have a pancake.
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Post by localboy86 on Mar 6, 2019 11:20:14 GMT
also excuse my ignorance like I said I haven't been for a while and Google doesn't provide anything but what's going on with Bailey has he left or is he just injured, thanks. Injured at the moment - a muscular injury around his groin, but Dos reported (after Saturday’s game) that he’s back running and may well feature this weekend - if not then Tuesday perhaps.
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Post by dundas on Mar 6, 2019 11:25:41 GMT
In response to your points: a) Try watching the managers interviews over the last few months and you may work it out No I follow the action on the pitch where Ross Worner and Roarie Deacon are our best hopes for play off football. Nothing in that implies a club in transition. b) Try reading other posts, especially from last season where the cost of removing the 3G and laying a grass pitch will mean that we seriously are under resourced. And when you look at the crowds in L2 this season are not a huge step up, and those "former non league clubs" don't get many more than we currently do I try not to reply on tautology and honestly, whether we'd come back down with 20 points is irrelevant. By your logic we should score an own goal at Wembley to prevent promotion resulting in our inevitable defenestrationc) Yo-yo team. Seriously, how long have you followed us? We go up and down fairly frequently without being a traditional yo-yo team in the Palace moldd) Your obsession really worries me, and to be honest that's a frankly idiotic statement, blaming all our woes on the fact that one player isn't with us anymore (however much of a legend he is) Refusing to acknowledge he is better than Dobson, even at 36/37, makes you a silly sausagee) Your trolling isn't helping anyone, especially when you are so factually incorrect you're making yourself look like an idiot. Well done, have a pancake. Labels are for bottles.
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Post by Andy K on Mar 6, 2019 11:36:52 GMT
In response to your points: a) Try watching the managers interviews over the last few months and you may work it out No I follow the action on the pitch where Ross Worner and Roarie Deacon are our best hopes for play off football. Nothing in that implies a club in transition. b) Try reading other posts, especially from last season where the cost of removing the 3G and laying a grass pitch will mean that we seriously are under resourced. And when you look at the crowds in L2 this season are not a huge step up, and those "former non league clubs" don't get many more than we currently do I try not to reply on tautology and honestly, whether we'd come back down with 20 points is irrelevant. By your logic we should score an own goal at Wembley to prevent promotion resulting in our inevitable defenestrationc) Yo-yo team. Seriously, how long have you followed us? We go up and down fairly frequently without being a traditional yo-yo team in the Palace moldd) Your obsession really worries me, and to be honest that's a frankly idiotic statement, blaming all our woes on the fact that one player isn't with us anymore (however much of a legend he is) Refusing to acknowledge he is better than Dobson, even at 36/37, makes you a silly sausagee) Your trolling isn't helping anyone, especially when you are so factually incorrect you're making yourself look like an idiot. Well done, have a pancake. Labels are for bottles.Wow, you really are going for the trolling today. We've been relegated 3 times in our 121 years and 1 day of existence. How can that be classed as a yo-yo in any definition of the word? And why have you chosen to compare Dobson with Dundas? And where have I refused to acknowledge anything? Football, as you may notice, is a team game. It's not about 1 player, and in the same way that some people have come on here blaming one player for all our woes in the past, it's impossible to attribute the same thing to one player NOT being here. You could argue that we would be less toothless up front if Tommy wasn't out for the season, or stronger in defence if Clough was still here, but even then, they are cogs in a big wheel. One-player teams just don't have success. And saying by my logic that I'd want to go to Wembley and score an own goal as not to go up is frankly offensive. And also irrelevant to the point. As you are incapable of actually reading what's in front of you without trying just to troll and basically make sh*t up, then I'll take back the point of you labelling yourself as an idiot. I think labels are not required.
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Post by oohaah on Mar 6, 2019 11:38:32 GMT
Think the main point was said by Banjo the club need to pull up a pew in the summer and have a discussion about the future. Do you not think that our club are continually discussing the future?
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Post by baggiesansutton on Mar 6, 2019 11:55:52 GMT
Thanks for the update local boy.
Yes I'm sure they are, my posts wasn't a dig at the way Sutton are ran whatsoever it's not an easy job I'm sure.
I think talk of promotion can be put on the back burner without investment tbh. The clubs aim is to stabilise us in this league and I believe they will do that and have done that again this season with great success.
Financially as well I'm guessing getting in the last play off place will be good to have a home tie and generate some more funds through gate receipts and bar revenue.
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Post by trev on Mar 6, 2019 12:05:42 GMT
Not for the first time this season, I find myself genuinely perplexed by some of the views expressed on this forum.
To those who somehow believe that this club lacks either the conviction or the aspiration to ultimately compete in the Football League, I would like to reiterate that this is precisely why the board made a decision, which I happily supported, to double the number of shares available in the club for the express purpose of ensuring we are financially prepared for the transition to the Football League.
I and many others were more than happy to double our existing shareholdings in the club, because I firmly believe that our future lies at a higher level.
But it is vital to point out that this is not an aspiration which will be realised overnight. To those who have been listening, Dos has mentioned numerous times over the last couple of seasons the importance of organic growth. The history of football is littered with "Icarus" clubs that have tried to ascend the football pyramid far too quickly, only to crash and burn.
Suffice to say, we are a club which is undoubtedly on an upward trajectory, but our climb will not be so steep that we allow ourselves to live beyond our means. I have every confidence that we will ultimately play league football, but we will get there when we are good and ready, and on our current resources we are not quite there yet.
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Post by amberchoc on Mar 6, 2019 12:30:15 GMT
A yo-yo team? As far as I can recall, we’ve been relegated twice in the 51 years I’ve been supporting the club! Three times: 1991, 2000, 2008 The world’s slowest yo-yo!
I don’t really see any reason to be pessimistic for next season. If we can keep the spine of the team over the summer (Worner, Collins, Eastmond, Bailey) and Tommy can get a good pre-season in, we should be in good shape to maintain our competitiveness at this level.
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Post by Del on Mar 6, 2019 13:29:55 GMT
Its not the end of the world. We are just having a few bad games like most other teams do !
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Post by billy on Mar 6, 2019 13:50:13 GMT
Its not the end of the world. We are just having a few bad games like most other teams do ! Spot on.It's only a game.
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Post by billy on Mar 6, 2019 14:10:39 GMT
This is a reset season. To be where we are at the moment is already a fantastic achievement - Why is it a reset season? What does that even mean ?
It doesn't mean anything - whoever said it.It's yet more gobbledygook speak.Total bollocks.
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Post by markf on Mar 6, 2019 14:13:21 GMT
Blimey, we hit a bad patch and suddenly all and sundry are having their tuppence worth. Oh well, a forum is for debate but I try and only deal in facts and leave the apparent conundrums to those in the know and those that have successfully grown this football club over the past decade or so. As for the yo-yo comment, if that's how your one works mate, I'd take it back and ask for a refund.
Back to what this thread was started for - and Delboy you're welcome to start the next one after last night - bring back Delboy, I say.
After a what must be a record breaking no loo break necessary journey up that had only one mishap when the idiot co-driver (now, who could that be?) failed to relate road signage with sat-nav meaning a five minute detour heading towards Liverpool, we arrived at Salford's newly built home. Considering what was on that site when the BBC cameras were there a few years back the transformation is pretty remarkable. Yes, it is a bit metal mania but for all that a tidy set up. I suppose levelling the playing field would have taken too long and cost too much but there was a noticeable slope (mainly side to side) although the surface, not brilliant, was a significant improvement on what was shown on the TV. Outside the stadium it was like a metal container park and while this didn't detract from the toilet facilities with regards to quality nor the fare on offer in terms of variety (although the burgers were apparently terrible) in the fanzone, it was surprising to note that the changing rooms were still those shown on that BBC Doc. Bearing in mind I have seen better facilities on a rundown public park, the observation that they can afford an alleged £5k a week on Rooney put couldn't get decent facilities for the players in time for the season, is a just one. Also makes you wonder how the ground passed NL grading but I assume we can guess the answer to that question.
Onto the match, dominated by one of the most awful refereeing performances I have seen. Once City got in front,a goal where there may have been a foul in the build up on skip but saw Ross W hesitancy result in him being chipped for a decent if simple finish there looked no way back. Not that City were great and it was obvious that the recent form of both sides had sapped the collective confidence. Most of U's forward thrust was gobbled up by their two centre-backs or ended up in a free-kick (more of later). The match had already descended into a farce before that goal. It wasn't until they got their second just before the hour that the home side started to show any of the swagger or ability that their annual wage bill would expect (or should that be demand?) and one flowing move ended with a quite brilliant save from Ross W one of a number he made in the second half as Salford threatened to really press home their advantage.
U's looked tired and leggy. Dale B only lasted until h-t and never looked right after that collision on Saturday and I am not sure Gime T was at the races either after he went off early against Hartlepool. One bright note was the debut of Nesset Bellikli who looked very assured on the ball.
So to last night's ref (or at least a bloke wearing the kit of one). He invented a new sport last night. It is known as whistle ball where two sets of teams line up against each other with a ball and then a person in black blows his whistle every time the teams' players get within breathing distance of each other. Basically a non-contact derivative of something once known as football. In particular any aerial contests for the ball are totally illegal and the whistle will be blown with no exception should they occur. That is what happened last night and U's got the brunt of this throughout. Dean B was booked for so-called persistent infringement even though he appeared the player to be fouled on two of those occasions. Harry B gets pulled down when away in the opponents half and the ref does nothing. Every time we put a ball in the box he blew for a foul (almost no exception). Both sides had reason to be bemused often outraged by his approach to any physicality and I reckon 90% of any aerial contests ended up in a free-kick being awarded. I counted half a dozen times when one of their players stood on the ball when U's had been awarded a free-kick, their no 7 the main culprit and he did absolutely nothing about it. The free-kick that led to their second goal looked a decent tackle. It was appalling and Mr Oldham (or should that be Master, not sure he was old enough for his balls to have dropped?) was a total dis-service to the beautiful game last night. If the FA think that performance was acceptable at any level then we may as well all pack up and go home.
The journey back was what has come to be the traditional midweek motorway closure bonanza and if you failed to come off at Junction 18 on the M6 last night I sympathise cos that looked a few hours of enforced car parking. Thanks to Kiddo for driving in pretty horrible conditions that were, for a while, replicated on my last leg of the journey down the A24 and an 03.20 arrival. I suspect some got home far later than that.
A not so happy 121st Birthday for Sutton but still plenty of points to play for as we head off to one of our least favourite venues on Saturday. Keep an eye on the weather though as a repeat of last season's Easter fixture would be of no surprise.
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Post by Andy K on Mar 6, 2019 14:35:17 GMT
This is a reset season. To be where we are at the moment is already a fantastic achievement - Why is it a reset season? What does that even mean ?It doesn't mean anything - whoever said it.It's yet more gobbledygook speak.Total bollocks. Paul Doswell said it. And the meaning is clear to those who are listening. I look forward to you going up to him the next time you visit GGL and tell him directly he's talking total bollocks.
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Post by trev on Mar 6, 2019 14:36:58 GMT
The thought of Billy actually going to a game this season... now that really is beyond the realms of credibility.
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