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Post by Andy K on Jun 9, 2020 14:59:15 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52705124Promotion, relegation and play offs happening as planned. Play offs behind closed doors, including finals at Wembley. I expect now this will mean that the National League will be in a position to decide the outcome of this season. I'll be very surprised if it's hugely different to what the EFL have decided.
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Post by Andy K on Jun 9, 2020 15:48:13 GMT
OK, so by my reckoning this will be the state of play (of course this is if the NL follow the EFL, which I think is probably the most likely course of action)
NL Champions - Barrow
Play offs
Yeovil v Barnet (Winners to play Notts C)
Boreham Wood v Halifax (Winners to play Harrogate)
Relegation:
Chorley, AFC Fylde, Ebbsfleet, Maidenhead
NL North
Champions and promotion - Kings Lynn Town
Play offs
Brackley v Gateshead (winners to play Boston United)
Altrincham V Chester (winners to play York City)
NL South
Champions and promotion - Wealdstone
Play offs
Bath v Dorking (winners to play Weymouth)
Slough v Dartford (Winners to play Havant)
This is also under the assumption that all those teams in play off positions can take part as they have passed ground grading and also if it's viable for these teams in the N/S to be able to play at all - as almost all of them will have players on part time contracts it may well be difficult for them to get a team together.
It may be the case that N/S play offs are not viable, so therefore it could be just 2 teams relegated and only the champions promoted. If that's the case we will lose 2 northern sides (Chorley and AFC Fylde) which will mean a team will have to transfer from N to the S. The most likely would be Brackley or Gloucester.
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Post by kpinwp on Jun 9, 2020 16:33:20 GMT
It also means that the 114 page (page, not post) thread on the Barrow fans' forum concerning the likelihood of their promotion will slowly come to a halt.
It's an erudite epic of a thread. A magnificent thread. Its impending conclusion makes me feel a little bit sad.
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Post by Del on Jun 9, 2020 18:18:08 GMT
How can they have play offs in the National league when a lot of the players are out of contract and may have even left their respective clubs ?
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Post by Andy K on Jun 9, 2020 21:14:48 GMT
How can they have play offs in the National league when a lot of the players are out of contract and may have even left their respective clubs ? Certainly that is the case in N and S but in the Nat League some are full time. |
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Post by os on Jun 9, 2020 21:26:36 GMT
I think the whole thing is a complete sham from Premiership to Ryman, I will never see Barrow as champions, as I think relegating Ebbsfleet would be totally wrong given their form.
If we were not to void the season, I see no reason why we could not have resumed from where we left off when proper football with crowds resumes whenever that be.
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Post by Andy K on Jun 10, 2020 9:17:03 GMT
I think the whole thing is a complete sham from Premiership to Ryman, I will never see Barrow as champions, as I think relegating Ebbsfleet would be totally wrong given their form. If we were not to void the season, I see no reason why we could not have resumed from where we left off when proper football with crowds resumes whenever that be. You know I'd have the polar opposite opinion. I agree it's no fault of either Barrow or Ebbsfleet as for where they are, but in any non-footballing situations there are winners and losers. I think it would totally unfair on the players and clubs to void the season at any level from the National League and above. And PPG I think is the fairest way of doing it. As we've all seen time and time again form can switch on a penny - remember when we went to Torquay where we had the worst form in the league and they had the best? That day changed that significantly. Torquay were 5th, we were 23rd. 6 games later they were in 14th, they were 17th. If I remember correctly, Weston Super Mare avoided relegation 3 times due to the demise of other clubs. And Aldershot did the same last season. In all honesty is it fair that a team in a relegation position get rewarded for not performing? It's been almost 3 months since the last game we played. Players contracts have expired, and some have moved on. You can't just start the league again as if nothing happened when your side or management could be significantly different. Voiding a season when 80% of the games have been played isn't fair or right for any club that plays in a league that has players that it's their full time job. You need to draw a line and that line shouldn't be "your last 9 months has been erased from history". Of course the Ryman had already voided many weeks ago, so I presume you didn't mean that league was a sham either. |
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Post by davep on Jun 10, 2020 11:41:53 GMT
I don't think that Maidenhead will go down as I suspect that only 3 teams will be relegated (two teams will be promoted to League 2 but only one will go down to National League because of Bury folding). I think that Maidenhead's points per game is marginally better than Ebbsfleet's. I think that Sutton will fall one place (below Torquay).
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Post by Andy K on Jun 10, 2020 12:16:37 GMT
I don't think that Maidenhead will go down as I suspect that only 3 teams will be relegated (two teams will be promoted to League 2 but only one will go down to National League because of Bury folding). I think that Maidenhead's points per game is marginally better than Ebbsfleet's. I think that Sutton will fall one place (below Torquay). That will depend on where the National league decide to have their missing place. The NLS system would have 71 instead of 72 teams. It may decide to run the NLS with 21 instead of 22 or it may decide that the NL runs with 23 instead of 24. Whichever way it happens the system will have 1 team too few. You are right about our final place on PPG. Maidenhead's PPG is actually the same as Ebbsfleet (1.08) but have a better goal difference - Ebbsfleet did have the worst defence in the league when it stopped on 14th March. |
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Post by Andy K on Jun 10, 2020 13:47:49 GMT
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Post by Andy K on Jun 11, 2020 12:30:10 GMT
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Post by Andy K on Jun 11, 2020 15:04:17 GMT
Unofficially this is the proposal
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Post by kpinwp on Jun 11, 2020 19:09:57 GMT
So, I'm seeing that as a 'change as little as possible' position.
Presumably as this is no more 'unfair' than any other model and as it does change very little it's likely to (and is designed to) get a sufficent number of clubs to vote in favour of it.
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Post by Del on Jun 11, 2020 19:52:12 GMT
So Chorley down with Wealdstone coming up and either York or Kings Lynn ( Not sure how you separate those 2).
Two up to the EFL 2 with only 1 down.
Still maybe all change if the EFL 2 & national league combine to make an EFL2 north and south next season.
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Post by Andy K on Jun 11, 2020 21:02:28 GMT
So Chorley down with Wealdstone coming up and either York or Kings Lynn ( Not sure how you separate those 2). Two up to the EFL 2 with only 1 down. Still maybe all change if the EFL 2 & national league combine to make an EFL2 north and south next season. Kings Lynn would finish top on PPG |
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