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Post by Andy K on Dec 13, 2021 22:20:17 GMT
With all due respect, Bradford are not the first club to do this and won't be the last. For those of us who a couple of seasons ago were playing in front of 6/700 at places like BW, Maidenhead, Braintree and Guiseley, playing in front of what was quite obviously a 5 figure crowd is the salient point. How many times has that happened in the last 50 years? Norwich for sure. FA Trophy final 81. Can't think of anything else. Hey, I’m not having a go at SUFC or SU supporters. I’ve got a ST at Sutton for starters and have seen plenty of non-league over many years, although probably 90% of all games I’ve seen (and I’ve been going to games since 1964-65) have been in the football league. Way back in pre-season I posted on here the fact that in the EFL that stated attendances were almost always NOT the physical attendance, but it seems many on here either didn’t believe me or didn’t want to believe me. I respect the likelihood that the majority of SU fans going away don’t have that knowledge or experience of the clubs in the EFL yet, and all I tried to do in my initial post on this thread was to alert posters to the fact that Bradford City are infamous for inflating their stated attendance. Other examples of me trying to help/advise SU fans - I’ve made comments about Northampton, parking at Crawley and issues with Port Vale’s ground in an effort to try to help SU fans. Maybe I shouldn’t bother in future. Why are you taking this to heart? Most of us really don't care about inflated crowd figures. Like I said we've seen it all before. It's really no different at non league either. Eastleigh have been doing it for years. I'd be impressed if there was one club who stated the attendance that was present unless they were so tiny you could physically count them. Doesn't make a blind bit of difference regarding what happens on the pitch or really to the experience as a whole. Like I said the fact that all of a sudden we sometimes play in front of crowds which are up to ten fold bigger than we have been used to for years is part of the ride we're enjoying. I could be wrong, but reading your post to me it just came across that you really don't like Bradford. As a Huddersfield supporter, I can understand your view if that is the case but I think from most of us, we're pretty indifferent to Bradford. Again I'm sorry if I'm wrong about this but it seems something personal to you isn't really personal to us. |
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Post by oohaah on Dec 13, 2021 22:23:43 GMT
Some of the crowds during our Anglo Italian exploits must have been quite tasty too?
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Post by terrier on Dec 13, 2021 22:38:37 GMT
Hey, I’m not having a go at SUFC or SU supporters. I’ve got a ST at Sutton for starters and have seen plenty of non-league over many years, although probably 90% of all games I’ve seen (and I’ve been going to games since 1964-65) have been in the football league. Way back in pre-season I posted on here the fact that in the EFL that stated attendances were almost always NOT the physical attendance, but it seems many on here either didn’t believe me or didn’t want to believe me. I respect the likelihood that the majority of SU fans going away don’t have that knowledge or experience of the clubs in the EFL yet, and all I tried to do in my initial post on this thread was to alert posters to the fact that Bradford City are infamous for inflating their stated attendance. Other examples of me trying to help/advise SU fans - I’ve made comments about Northampton, parking at Crawley and issues with Port Vale’s ground in an effort to try to help SU fans. Maybe I shouldn’t bother in future. Why are you taking this to heart? Most of us really don't care about inflated crowd figures. Like I said we've seen it all before. It's really no different at non league either. Eastleigh have been doing it for years. I'd be impressed if there was one club who stated the attendance that was present unless they were so tiny you could physically count them. Doesn't make a blind bit of difference regarding what happens on the pitch or really to the experience as a whole. Like I said the fact that all of a sudden we sometimes play in front of crowds which are up to ten fold bigger than we have been used to for years is part of the ride we're enjoying. I could be wrong, but reading your post to me it just came across that you really don't like Bradford. As a Huddersfield supporter, I can understand your view if that is the case but I think from most of us, we're pretty indifferent to Bradford. Again I'm sorry if I'm wrong about this but it seems something personal to you isn't really personal to us. I’m not taking this to heart, and I have no dislike for Bradford City whatsoever; I’ve seen many games at VP over the year as a neutral. The only club I dislike (I don’t “hate” them) is Leeds United, and I could have very easily been a Leeds fan given where I come from. Do you dislike Carshalton Athletic? I don’t, seen some good stuff down there. I totally understand that the bigger grounds and bigger crowds are a part of Sutton’s journey. I get that. I’ve been to 3 away games myself. I thought some on here might appreciate the occasional input on matters concerning Sutton United, but it seems you have to be a lifelong born and bred Sutton United fan before you can make any comment on here. Not the feeling I get when I’m at GGL. Shame. |
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Post by amberchoc on Dec 13, 2021 22:54:05 GMT
To my knowledge there have only been five games in our history where the attendance has been higher than Saturday’s announced figure, all were cup games. So far, only the third, fourth and fifth highest have been mentioned!
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Post by jr on Dec 13, 2021 23:01:53 GMT
To my knowledge there have only been five games in our history where the attendance has been higher than Saturday’s announced figure, all were cup games. So far, only the third, fourth and fifth highest have been mentioned! The Wembley finals in 1963 and 1969 I guess. What was the crowd v Notts County in 92/93? |
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Post by davef on Dec 13, 2021 23:08:36 GMT
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Post by amberchoc on Dec 13, 2021 23:17:23 GMT
To my knowledge there have only been five games in our history where the attendance has been higher than Saturday’s announced figure, all were cup games. So far, only the third, fourth and fifth highest have been mentioned! The Wembley finals in 1963 and 1969 I guess. What was the crowd v Notts County in 92/93? Bingo! Give that man an eyebrow. Hey, I’m feeling generous, give him two! (Red Dwarf, Epideme epsiode!) Something you may find unbelievable is that the gate that Bradford have claimed, is slightly higher than the 14,000 that were rammed into GGL in 1970 against Leeds. |
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Post by davef on Dec 13, 2021 23:21:36 GMT
That 14,000 is a bit revisionist. I am sure that it was reported as 15,000 at the time and, indeed, the larger figure was quoted in our 75th anniversary handbook written by the men that ran that game.
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Post by genghis on Dec 13, 2021 23:42:05 GMT
Why are you taking this to heart? Most of us really don't care about inflated crowd figures. Like I said we've seen it all before. It's really no different at non league either. Eastleigh have been doing it for years. I'd be impressed if there was one club who stated the attendance that was present unless they were so tiny you could physically count them. Doesn't make a blind bit of difference regarding what happens on the pitch or really to the experience as a whole. Like I said the fact that all of a sudden we sometimes play in front of crowds which are up to ten fold bigger than we have been used to for years is part of the ride we're enjoying. I could be wrong, but reading your post to me it just came across that you really don't like Bradford. As a Huddersfield supporter, I can understand your view if that is the case but I think from most of us, we're pretty indifferent to Bradford. Again I'm sorry if I'm wrong about this but it seems something personal to you isn't really personal to us. I’m not taking this to heart, and I have no dislike for Bradford City whatsoever; I’ve seen many games at VP over the year as a neutral. The only club I dislike (I don’t “hate” them) is Leeds United, and I could have very easily been a Leeds fan given where I come from. Do you dislike Carshalton Athletic? I don’t, seen some good stuff down there. I totally understand that the bigger grounds and bigger crowds are a part of Sutton’s journey. I get that. I’ve been to 3 away games myself. I thought some on here might appreciate the occasional input on matters concerning Sutton United, but it seems you have to be a lifelong born and bred Sutton United fan before you can make any comment on here. Not the feeling I get when I’m at GGL. Shame. Reading through this thread, and I’m very confused by your comments here. You seem to be imagining vitriol against yourself that doesn’t exist. |
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Post by amberchoc on Dec 13, 2021 23:43:40 GMT
That 14,000 is a bit revisionist. I am sure that it was reported as 15,000 at the time and, indeed, the larger figure was quoted in our 75th anniversary handbook written by the men that ran that game. Yeah, the match report I’ve got states it as “over 14,000”, but I think it’s safe to say that there were more at GGL that day than Bradford claim were at Valley Parade. |
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Post by Andy K on Dec 13, 2021 23:58:10 GMT
Why are you taking this to heart? Most of us really don't care about inflated crowd figures. Like I said we've seen it all before. It's really no different at non league either. Eastleigh have been doing it for years. I'd be impressed if there was one club who stated the attendance that was present unless they were so tiny you could physically count them. Doesn't make a blind bit of difference regarding what happens on the pitch or really to the experience as a whole. Like I said the fact that all of a sudden we sometimes play in front of crowds which are up to ten fold bigger than we have been used to for years is part of the ride we're enjoying. I could be wrong, but reading your post to me it just came across that you really don't like Bradford. As a Huddersfield supporter, I can understand your view if that is the case but I think from most of us, we're pretty indifferent to Bradford. Again I'm sorry if I'm wrong about this but it seems something personal to you isn't really personal to us. I’m not taking this to heart, and I have no dislike for Bradford City whatsoever; I’ve seen many games at VP over the year as a neutral. The only club I dislike (I don’t “hate” them) is Leeds United, and I could have very easily been a Leeds fan given where I come from. Do you dislike Carshalton Athletic? I don’t, seen some good stuff down there. I totally understand that the bigger grounds and bigger crowds are a part of Sutton’s journey. I get that. I’ve been to 3 away games myself. I thought some on here might appreciate the occasional input on matters concerning Sutton United, but it seems you have to be a lifelong born and bred Sutton United fan before you can make any comment on here. Not the feeling I get when I’m at GGL. Shame. Carshalton? Nope, they are of an irrelevance to me (sorry Jared) and even when we were at the same level, they were not really a "rival". Rivals to me depends on how we are doing, so at the moment I'm look at Swindon, Leyton Orient, Newport etc. That will change as the season goes on I expect. As is always the case, you can make any comment on here you like. It doesn't however make you immune to a response though. That's kind of the point of a forum. If that's an issue for you there's not much anyone can do about that. My point remains though. However many people were at Bradford doesn't really concern Sutton United. If it was a cup game, then perhaps it would based on the cut of the gate. Otherwise the difference between people there and the official attendance is really an irrelevance. |
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Post by oohaah on Dec 14, 2021 0:49:56 GMT
I’m not taking this to heart, and I have no dislike for Bradford City whatsoever; I’ve seen many games at VP over the year as a neutral. The only club I dislike (I don’t “hate” them) is Leeds United, and I could have very easily been a Leeds fan given where I come from. Do you dislike Carshalton Athletic? I don’t, seen some good stuff down there. I totally understand that the bigger grounds and bigger crowds are a part of Sutton’s journey. I get that. I’ve been to 3 away games myself. I thought some on here might appreciate the occasional input on matters concerning Sutton United, but it seems you have to be a lifelong born and bred Sutton United fan before you can make any comment on here. Not the feeling I get when I’m at GGL. Shame. If it was a cup game, then perhaps it would based on the cut of the gate. Otherwise the difference between people there and the official attendance is really an irrelevance. Which brings us neatly back to Peterborough United. I recall that they were in some difficulties then and feel that they did us out of a fair wad of Spondulixs. |
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Post by Andy K on Dec 14, 2021 9:06:07 GMT
I've got a vague memory of that too!
Oh well, didn't help them on the pitch did it!
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Post by Del on Dec 14, 2021 15:47:52 GMT
I like to see the game end with 11 against 11 if at all possible.A penalty should be enough without sending the player off. All these sendings off for handball,2 innocuous challenges etc etc are a joke. Opposing players and spectators baying for the dismissals is also very unedifying. Yes but deliberate handball on the line to stop the ball going in the goal is not in the spirit of the game and a red card is the only viable option. After all penalties can be saved. |
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Post by genghis on Dec 14, 2021 22:08:04 GMT
I can't remember (or find) when they changed the rules to make handball to stop a goal a sending off offence but we got along nicely for well over 100 years before they did! The penalty IS the penalty,or should they call it a double penalty? If there’s no threat of a red card, what’s to stop a player deliberately punching a ball off the goal line to stop a certain goal? You may as well take the chance with a penalty if the alternative is a certain goal. In previous years, players were probably concerned with getting a swift punch to the face for such unsportsmanlike behaviour. If not from a player from the opposite team, but from rival fans when trying to leave the ground. These days, the red card provides a more civilised deterrent. |
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