Steve D
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Post by Steve D on Feb 2, 2022 12:40:33 GMT
The predicted final table on Football Web Pages is normally good for a chuckle. At present, it has us pipping Northampton for second spot with 81 points, and FGR winning the title 31 points clear!! They’re good, but they’re not that good. The latest predicted table has us finishing 2nd, 3 points ahead of Port Vale, Northampton and Tranmere. Their prediction was spot on last season  |
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Post by Andy K on Feb 2, 2022 13:37:15 GMT
The predicted final table (and our points are based on the following predicted results:
Sutton United 2 0 Bristol Rovers (w)
Sutton United 2 0 Salford City (W)
Sutton United 1 1 Forest Green Rovers (D)
Bristol Rovers 2 1 Sutton United (L)
Hartlepool United 1 1 Sutton United (D)
Sutton United 3 0 Scunthorpe United (W)
Sutton United 2 0 Rochdale (W)
Walsall 2 1 Sutton United (L)
Swindon Town 1 1 Sutton United (D)
Sutton United 1 0 Tranmere Rovers (W)
Oldham Athletic 1 2 Sutton United (W)
Port Vale 2 1 Sutton United (L)
Sutton United 2 0 Crawley Town (W)
Sutton United 2 0 Leyton Orient (W)
Mansfield Town 3 1 Sutton United (L)
Sutton United 2 1 Newport County (W)
Barrow 1 1 Sutton United (D)
Sutton United 1 0 Bradford City (W)
Harrogate Town 2 1 Sutton United (L)
W10 D 4 L 5
Maybe worth returning back to this after each result!
For reference, FWP had us losing 2-0 at Carlisle at the weekend.
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Post by Stewart on Feb 2, 2022 14:23:48 GMT
The predicted final table (and our points are based on the following predicted results: Sutton United 2 0 Bristol Rovers (w) Sutton United 2 0 Salford City (W) Sutton United 1 1 Forest Green Rovers (D) Bristol Rovers 2 1 Sutton United (L) Hartlepool United 1 1 Sutton United (D) Sutton United 3 0 Scunthorpe United (W) Sutton United 2 0 Rochdale (W) Walsall 2 1 Sutton United (L) Swindon Town 1 1 Sutton United (D) Sutton United 1 0 Tranmere Rovers (W) Oldham Athletic 1 2 Sutton United (W) Port Vale 2 1 Sutton United (L) Sutton United 2 0 Crawley Town (W) Sutton United 2 0 Leyton Orient (W) Mansfield Town 3 1 Sutton United (L) Sutton United 2 1 Newport County (W) Barrow 1 1 Sutton United (D) Sutton United 1 0 Bradford City (W) Harrogate Town 2 1 Sutton United (L) W10 D 4 L 5 Maybe worth returning back to this after each result! For reference, FWP had us losing 2-0 at Carlisle at the weekend. Interesting can't argue with most of the predictions. The real home tests will be against FGR and Crawley who have a good away record. |
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Post by bailo on Feb 2, 2022 15:07:03 GMT
The predicted final table (and our points are based on the following predicted results: Walsall 2 1 Sutton United (L) Ah come on! I've booked to come over for that! |
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Post by baboonfish on Feb 2, 2022 15:24:49 GMT
This discussion raises two points for me
1. Yes we are in the mix but there are some strong teams who I believe will mostly finish above us. Namely Northampton, Mansfield, Swindon, Tranmere and Port Vale. Those teams I would expect have deeper squads and if we have a bad run of injuries (almost inevitable with the fixture list we have), we might well hit a blip. I think we'll finish 6th or 7th which would be an unbelievable achievement.
2. More importantly, do people on this forum honestly believe promotion would be a good thing so soon in our League life? There's a lot to be said for sustainability. I do not see how this club could sustain L1 football with our ground and resources. For me the perfect season would be losing the play off final - big income boost to invest in the ground and another season in L2. When you look at what happened to Dagenham, they briefly touched the sun, got battered in L1 and they're only recovering now, a decade later. All their late-comer support dwindled. Its all very well saying yeah, it'd be a lot of fun - it would - but when a club becomes a losing club in a league too high, it's very hard to turn around.
I think, while it would be wild ride going to all those big clubs and loads of new grounds, it would overstretch us and make a return to non-league more likely. I'd be more than content for us to stay out of trouble for the next 5 years while we sort out this ground which isn't fit for league football, and build a platform to push on. For that we need to be getting 5k plus every game, impossible currently but not implausible.
As always, I'm sure the club has a sound plan, but I very much doubt it includes trying to compete with the likes of Sunderland, Ipswich, Sheff Wed and Bolton at this stage.
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Post by garethl on Feb 2, 2022 16:00:31 GMT
I think promotion (really?!) would be great, guarantees 3 seasons at least as a league club which gives us something to build on. If we have a bump in league 1 so be it.
I also think there are some strong clubs who may well come through. But what I do know is that we have a group who will absolutely keep believing and will keep giving their all. We can just enjoy the season and have some fun. The captain spoke to BBC about one game at a time and this lot are so good at doing that and not just having it as a soundbite. Every game they are capable of coming away with a result, they can instantly seemingly put a bad result out of the mind. Very strong mentality.
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Post by garethl on Feb 2, 2022 16:01:43 GMT
The predicted final table (and our points are based on the following predicted results: Walsall 2 1 Sutton United (L) Ah come on! I've booked to come over for that! Certainly don’t want to be doubled by them, they were pretty ordinary at ours! |
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Post by Del on Feb 2, 2022 16:05:53 GMT
I totally agree. You can't bump along in League 2 and hope for the best. If you don't look to progress then you will find yourself staring at relegation. Players don't want to play for a club with no ambition and supporters will dwindle.
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Post by baboonfish on Feb 2, 2022 16:28:53 GMT
I totally agree. You can't bump along in League 2 and hope for the best. If you don't look to progress then you will find yourself staring at relegation. Players don't want to play for a club with no ambition and supporters will dwindle. Its not about ambition its about realism. The team will want to win every match of course, and if they somehow clinch promotion then who knows what will happen. However, you can't shy away from the fact that our ground is a long way from L2 worthy, and there would be greater requirements for L1 which may well push it beyond the bounds of feasibilty. Honestly I think we need a new ground or significant investment in this one before we can compete at a level beyond L2. Winning is a habit, and so is losing - why do you think it's so common for teams to get back to back relegations (or worse)? I'd much rather have us playing at a level which we can clearly compete, until the club has 'levelled up' (to borrow from the clowns) the infrasctructure. National to L2 hasn't been much of a jump in terms of quality - indeed you could argue the top 8 or so would all survive in L2, but I think we'd find it a huge step up in L1. |
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Post by terrier on Feb 2, 2022 16:34:45 GMT
Predicting nine wins at home and only dropping points at home in one game (a draw v FGR) is incredibly optimistic, in my opinion. If that happened then automatic promotion would be practically certain. GGL truly would be a fortress!
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Post by nonsuch on Feb 2, 2022 16:42:11 GMT
This discussion raises two points for me 1. Yes we are in the mix but there are some strong teams who I believe will mostly finish above us. Namely Northampton, Mansfield, Swindon, Tranmere and Port Vale. Those teams I would expect have deeper squads and if we have a bad run of injuries (almost inevitable with the fixture list we have), we might well hit a blip. I think we'll finish 6th or 7th which would be an unbelievable achievement. 2. More importantly, do people on this forum honestly believe promotion would be a good thing so soon in our League life? There's a lot to be said for sustainability. I do not see how this club could sustain L1 football with our ground and resources. For me the perfect season would be losing the play off final - big income boost to invest in the ground and another season in L2. When you look at what happened to Dagenham, they briefly touched the sun, got battered in L1 and they're only recovering now, a decade later. All their late-comer support dwindled. Its all very well saying yeah, it'd be a lot of fun - it would - but when a club becomes a losing club in a league too high, it's very hard to turn around. I think, while it would be wild ride going to all those big clubs and loads of new grounds, it would overstretch us and make a return to non-league more likely. I'd be more than content for us to stay out of trouble for the next 5 years while we sort out this ground which isn't fit for league football, and build a platform to push on. For that we need to be getting 5k plus every game, impossible currently but not implausible. As always, I'm sure the club has a sound plan, but I very much doubt it includes trying to compete with the likes of Sunderland, Ipswich, Sheff Wed and Bolton at this stage. I’ve been thinking the same for quite some time. A promotion would be fantastic but an immediate relegation would be a potential start for a downward fall. Morecambe was a club of similar stature with Sutton - they earned their promotion, built a new ground, have the top scorer in the league - yet they seemed favourites to relegation in spite of a promising start. These does not mean we should hold back if there is the chance. At the current form I see us finishing 5-7, it is no more than9-10 teams fighting for playoff spots and out of those 4 are having a bad run momentarily (Vale, Exeter, Swindon and Northampton). But I see Tranmere, Newport and Mansfield above us. |
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Post by Del on Feb 2, 2022 17:34:41 GMT
I totally agree. You can't bump along in League 2 and hope for the best. If you don't look to progress then you will find yourself staring at relegation. Players don't want to play for a club with no ambition and supporters will dwindle. Its not about ambition its about realism. The team will want to win every match of course, and if they somehow clinch promotion then who knows what will happen. However, you can't shy away from the fact that our ground is a long way from L2 worthy, and there would be greater requirements for L1 which may well push it beyond the bounds of feasibilty. Honestly I think we need a new ground or significant investment in this one before we can compete at a level beyond L2. Winning is a habit, and so is losing - why do you think it's so common for teams to get back to back relegations (or worse)? I'd much rather have us playing at a level which we can clearly compete, until the club has 'levelled up' (to borrow from the clowns) the infrasctructure. National to L2 hasn't been much of a jump in terms of quality - indeed you could argue the top 8 or so would all survive in L2, but I think we'd find it a huge step up in L1. A lot of the points you make are reasonable but the same argument was made for remaining in the Ryman prem/ Conference South & the National league. The ground requirements in League 1 are the same as for league 2. |
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Post by is4 on Feb 2, 2022 17:42:16 GMT
When I opened this subject / post.
I did not release what a fantastic response and on going debate this has coursed.
I, like some mentioned would like to see promotion if possible. But it would seem as Matt has said first is target 50 points which now a giver.
Next aim is the play offs.
Looking at the forecasts made that could be on.
Let's see.here's hoping.
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Post by baboonfish on Feb 2, 2022 21:46:25 GMT
Its not about ambition its about realism. The team will want to win every match of course, and if they somehow clinch promotion then who knows what will happen. However, you can't shy away from the fact that our ground is a long way from L2 worthy, and there would be greater requirements for L1 which may well push it beyond the bounds of feasibilty. Honestly I think we need a new ground or significant investment in this one before we can compete at a level beyond L2. Winning is a habit, and so is losing - why do you think it's so common for teams to get back to back relegations (or worse)? I'd much rather have us playing at a level which we can clearly compete, until the club has 'levelled up' (to borrow from the clowns) the infrasctructure. National to L2 hasn't been much of a jump in terms of quality - indeed you could argue the top 8 or so would all survive in L2, but I think we'd find it a huge step up in L1. A lot of the points you make our reasonable but the same argument was made for remaining in the Ryman prem/ Conference South & the National league. The ground requirements in League 1 are the same as for league 2. Right you are regards ground requirements. I thought the excess seating requirements were L1 but it's within 3 years regardless. I don't recall anyone making an argument against promotion to the conference. Yes a lot of people argued we weren't ready for league football back in 2017/18 when we came 3rd, and it was a particularly weak league that year (Macclesfield only just stayed up the next season). By 20/21 I think everyone believed we were ready to make the step up. Alot happened in those three years to make us more viable on and off the field. I don't belive we'd have been viable as a league club if we'd won promotion back then. We might have survived, we might not. It's very similar to the position we find ourselves now except the difference between the leagues is wider. |
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Post by sol on Feb 2, 2022 22:07:37 GMT
Up the U’s into LG 1 and our very own double (LG 2 title & FLT).
👋🎈⚽️
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