pete
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Post by pete on Aug 20, 2009 18:01:08 GMT
Bloody hell. Rules are rules. The club has a rule of no drinking alcohol within the ground. Lets adhere that. If others clubs allow it, then thats there problem. If you cant watch a football game without the need for a drink, then go to a ground that does allow it and drink there. It is not a question of how much more money the club can generate. The club can raise money from other areas should they feel the need to do it.
Lets just accept the fact you cant and get on with things.
Having worked in the pub industry, and having to deal with football supporters when big games are on, I can fully understand why the club (and the FA) make their decisions. My Pub has had to be closed for short periods (my decision) due to the behaviour of football fans during and after games. It costs me money, and spoils the enjoyment for everyone else.
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Post by Nick the Greek/The Speshul One on Aug 20, 2009 18:12:10 GMT
Sorry Pete, you are right.
This is a public message boards and discussions and debates shouldn't go on here.
Please advise a list of topics we can discuss and I try to stick to them, better than that I will lock any other thread made, and if they don't like it they can go to another clubs message board. Yeah that will show them.
Oh and Pete, please try and get the rules right as each year the club hire the ground out to students who drink wherever they like, and I believe they even ask for supporters to assist on the day.
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Post by pete on Aug 20, 2009 18:43:08 GMT
I would hardly call it a sensible debate when you come out with reply like that Nick. The question was can you bring plastic glasses of beer out. A reason was given why you cannot. Since then there has been stupid comments (albeit with some sensible ones returned). Debating on here is not going to change the fact that the club has a rule on matchdays. In the main, the club has always made the right decision on how to run their club. They involve the fans as much as they can, and have given the fans a voice by having a member of sust involved.
As some have mentioned, it is not a why cant you wait 45 mins until haftime, it is a case of relaxing at the weekend and having a pint while you watch your favourite football team play. You and I would possibly agree that the majority, if not all the regular fans of the club who turn up each week will not cause any problem. However, you do not know who the opposition will bring, and who else will turn up. If the police still attended the games, the rule could probally be relaxed, but you cannot expect the stewards at the game to have to deal with a situation should it arise. They are. after all, supporters that want to watch the game as well. If some of you feel passionately about being able to drink while watching the game, then address it to the club and debate it then.
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Post by vern on Aug 20, 2009 19:32:10 GMT
However, you do not know who the opposition will bring, and who else will turn up. If the police still attended the games, the rule could probally be relaxed, but you cannot expect the stewards at the game to have to deal with a situation should it arise. They are. after all, supporters that want to watch the game as well. Surely we as fans could self-police any outrageous behaviour and let the stewards do their normal duties (looking for lost balls etc)
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Post by frakey on Aug 20, 2009 19:35:04 GMT
Sorry NTG but the Uni match at the end of the season is a light-hearted match between friends & fellow students and bears no comparison with a Ryman League match. Anyway, its mainly the girls doing the drinking!
Pete has joined the debate by expressing his opinion - he hasn't ended it!
Personally, I think the club have it right at the mo & having stewarded this club for 8 consecutive seasons, I reckon I speak from a reasonably enlightened position.
We don't have enough stewards to cope with an alcohol fuelled incident & I'm not sure that the stewards should be put into that position. Booze make some people unpredictable and adding an extra burden to the stewarding role would, IMO, be unfair on them & lack responsibility with regards to the club's approach to matchday organisation.
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Post by Burtie on Aug 20, 2009 19:40:34 GMT
However, you do not know who the opposition will bring, and who else will turn up. If the police still attended the games, the rule could probally be relaxed, but you cannot expect the stewards at the game to have to deal with a situation should it arise. They are. after all, supporters that want to watch the game as well. Surely we as fans could self-police any outrageous behaviour and let the stewards do their normal duties (looking for lost balls etc) Good idea. Why stop there? Why not do away with bouncers at bars and nightclubs - just ask the other punters to self-police it. And when some thug smashes a bottle in someone's face, the rest of us can politely ask him to refrain from such outrageous behaviour.
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Post by willo on Aug 20, 2009 20:47:29 GMT
Vern, If you fancy one during the match, just tap me on the shoulder and you can have a sip of mine. If I'm too lagging and fall over, help yourself, I keep one can in each pocket.
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Post by vern on Aug 20, 2009 20:51:12 GMT
And when some thug smashes a bottle in someone's face, the rest of us can politely ask him to refrain from such outrageous behaviour. I don't know of any sporting venue where glass bottles are allowed - do you? At Twickenham, The Oval, Colston Avenue and the Lakeside all beers are served in plastic glasses while the events are on.
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Post by os on Aug 20, 2009 20:57:36 GMT
At Twickenham, The Oval, Colston Avenue and the Lakeside all beers are served in plastic glasses while the events are on. Anyone who mentions The Oval and Twickers in the same vein as Colston Avenue must be insane and surely not even allowed out on matchdays let alone drink I thought Lakeside was a shopping centre
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Post by Del on Aug 20, 2009 21:42:12 GMT
Its always nice to have a beer at Lakeside whilst the wife goes shopping!
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Post by pete on Aug 20, 2009 22:16:54 GMT
However, you do not know who the opposition will bring, and who else will turn up. If the police still attended the games, the rule could probally be relaxed, but you cannot expect the stewards at the game to have to deal with a situation should it arise. They are. after all, supporters that want to watch the game as well. Surely we as fans could self-police any outrageous behaviour and let the stewards do their normal duties (looking for lost balls etc) I take your point, we as fans could. It happens in bars and clubs by other revellers, and it happens in the streets, both to a certain extent. However, if something really kicked off, and it will happen as under the influence of alcohol, people can be so unpredictable, would other supporters want to get involved? And what would the clubs position be on it if things got really out of hand. The problem, in my opinion is that yes, it would be nice to be able to have a beer watching the game, but there are too many what if situations and problems that can arise from it. Yes, more often than not there will be no problem, but why risk it?
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Post by vern on Aug 21, 2009 6:17:54 GMT
In what planet do people think that being able to SLOWLY and STEADILY drink beer/lager/cider during the course of a match - is inherently going to cause more problems than the current situation where people neck several pints of strong lager before the game in a hurry, down two more and a few shots at half-time in breakneck speed, then swig whisky from hipflasks and contraband bottles of doctored pop throughout the game?
In Spain, France, Italy, Portugal, everywhere with a bit more civility, people drink steadily and slowly, with children present.
This culture of 'keep alcohol out of sight' and confined to certain times of the day creates a taboo and a feeling that getting tanked is two fingers up at authority. The Yanks tried to ban booze in the 1920s and it increased drinking.
No wonder the English have a drink problem.
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Post by pete on Aug 21, 2009 6:39:27 GMT
Well the English mentality is to drink as much as they can as quickly as they can! As soon as you ring that bell for last orders, everyone is up buying several pints and shots and down them twice as fast. Europe in my opinion has the right mentality, but there laws and behaviour around alcohol has been treated differently.
This majority of people are sensible, but there are plenty of those that are not unfortunately.
Oh, and if there are people that are trying squeeze in several pints/shots at half time, then they are probally the ones that are potentially the risk. If you allowed drinking through the game, would it make much difference to them? If they have two at half time, chances are they will probally have 6 or 7, or more during the course of the game. Does anyone come to Sutton games armed with hipflasks?
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Post by Del on Aug 21, 2009 6:50:30 GMT
Anyway Vern.Who's this 40 year old virgin who stinks of BO you stand next to?
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Post by vern on Aug 21, 2009 6:58:50 GMT
Does anyone come to Sutton games armed with hipflasks? I'm going TKMaxx today to get one.
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