billy
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Post by billy on Aug 21, 2009 18:38:01 GMT
You sound like a real tough nut vern.Have you got a shaven bonce,tattoos and an earing ?
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Post by vern on Aug 21, 2009 19:00:21 GMT
Anyway Vern.Who's this 40 year old virgin who stinks of BO you stand next to? See above!
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Post by Del on Aug 21, 2009 21:37:08 GMT
LOL
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medibot
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Post by medibot on Aug 21, 2009 21:43:53 GMT
Billy's not 40
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tonyd
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Post by tonyd on Aug 21, 2009 22:42:40 GMT
In Spain, France, Italy, Portugal, everywhere with a bit more civility, people drink steadily and slowly, with children present. Can't just be an English problem. There were long faces at Fulham on Thursday when the Verns among us discovered no alcohol on sale inside the ground - UEFA rule!
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Post by constance on Aug 22, 2009 17:19:34 GMT
I agree with Vernon, my friend is a fan of the neighbouring club and she says there is never any trouble. I wish we could drink at Sutton, any problems they should be ejected.
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Post by vern on Aug 22, 2009 20:32:34 GMT
Look at the state of this - Uncontrolled aggression, abusive alcoholics who need religious and spiritual salvation, and families running amok from the grasps of the evil liquor demons....Colston Avenue this arvo:
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medibot
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Post by medibot on Aug 23, 2009 2:08:09 GMT
Vern, we can only wish that our politicians were as passionate about their issues as you! Going to Colston just to prove a point is beyond the call of duty...
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Post by wellie on Aug 23, 2009 11:30:50 GMT
The only reason drink is allowed during matches at Colston Avenue is that you need to be inebreated(pissed)to go there every week! Fortunately Sutton fans go to watch the game.
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Post by vern on Aug 23, 2009 12:43:03 GMT
Don't worry 'Wellie', most of us men don't get inebreated (sic) after a mere sniff of a barmaid's apron....
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frakey
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Post by frakey on Aug 23, 2009 12:58:43 GMT
Well, having enjoyed the experience of CA, why not change your allegiances as the draw of easily accessible alcohol is obviously more important to you than watching the footy?
I preferred to watch my team at Hendon.
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Post by holmes on Aug 23, 2009 14:07:59 GMT
Being a member of CAMRA, I have viewed this thread with interest. While Vern may have a valid point about slow and steady drinking, it is my experience that there is a large enough proportion of football supporters who do not possess the required self control to drink responsibly that there is a risk of serious drunk and disorderly behavior. The control of drink availability in football grounds is not the cause of binge drinking. This occurrence has many causes, most of which the Government can not or will not deal with. The experiment of allowing 24 hour drinking has shown that availability of alcohol is not a major factor in the bing drinking culture. Moreover, it is a cultural shift in the perception and image of drinking alcohol. There is an unfortunate fact that binge drinkers drink to get drunk, not drink for the enjoyment of what they are drinking. For my point, this seems to have started with the rush to get drinking after the working week, but that's just part of my take on it.
While it might be pleasant to sup a good ale while watching a game on the TV, I find that I become more immersed in the action of a live game and therefore not interested in drink. Having watched live rugby I can say that there is a completely different atmosphere as while spectators are passionate, there are no volatile undertones. I would imagine that live cricket is similar. At a few games in the past, I have sensed an unpleasant tone to some opposition supporters and allowing them to tank up with alcohol during the game does not sit comfortably with me.
I have no idea how Carshiton police their drinking, but it would seem that there is a drinking area just outside the bar, which would be relatively easily checked and controlled. With the layout of the ground and the location of the bar at GGL, this would be far more difficult to control unless part of the stand was given over to a 'drinkers zone'.
There is also the question of the license. The license to sell alcohol is most likely limited to the bar area. Therefore, without an amendment to this license, it would be illegal to sell alcohol to take off premises (the premises being the bar, not the ground!) I do not believe that the club would be willing to undertake the required effort to try to extend their current license to include off-license sales. I know for a fact that some pubs in Cheam have taken this view, so if pubs are not interested why would the club?
The notion of supporters policing themselves is shear fantasy. How would fellow supporters deal with a drunken mob of fans hurling slurred abuse at them, by asking them politely not to drink any more beer? No, if drinking is to be allowed, someone has to be responsible for the order of the drinkers.
Overall my common sense tells me that letting alcohol be consumed around the ground would not be a good idea for the club. By the nature and history of the game, there are more irresponsible followers of football than other sports. I do not know the reasons for this, but that does not detract from the facts that I have seen throughout my life.
Long post, but there are many issues involved in this debate.
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Post by Burtie on Aug 23, 2009 16:58:19 GMT
Well, having enjoyed the experience of CA, why not change your allegiances as the draw of easily accessible alcohol is obviously more important to you than watching the footy? Good idea. Then everyone's happy.
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Amber
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Post by Amber on Aug 24, 2009 21:22:48 GMT
Being a member of CAMRA, I have viewed this thread with interest. While Vern may have a valid point about slow and steady drinking, it is my experience that there is a large enough proportion of football supporters who do not possess the required self control to drink responsibly that there is a risk of serious drunk and disorderly behavior. The control of drink availability in football grounds is not the cause of binge drinking. This occurrence has many causes, most of which the Government can not or will not deal with. The experiment of allowing 24 hour drinking has shown that availability of alcohol is not a major factor in the bing drinking culture. Moreover, it is a cultural shift in the perception and image of drinking alcohol. There is an unfortunate fact that binge drinkers drink to get drunk, not drink for the enjoyment of what they are drinking. For my point, this seems to have started with the rush to get drinking after the working week, but that's just part of my take on it. While it might be pleasant to sup a good ale while watching a game on the TV, I find that I become more immersed in the action of a live game and therefore not interested in drink. Having watched live rugby I can say that there is a completely different atmosphere as while spectators are passionate, there are no volatile undertones. I would imagine that live cricket is similar. At a few games in the past, I have sensed an unpleasant tone to some opposition supporters and allowing them to tank up with alcohol during the game does not sit comfortably with me. I have no idea how Carshiton police their drinking, but it would seem that there is a drinking area just outside the bar, which would be relatively easily checked and controlled. With the layout of the ground and the location of the bar at GGL, this would be far more difficult to control unless part of the stand was given over to a 'drinkers zone'. There is also the question of the license. The license to sell alcohol is most likely limited to the bar area. Therefore, without an amendment to this license, it would be illegal to sell alcohol to take off premises (the premises being the bar, not the ground!) I do not believe that the club would be willing to undertake the required effort to try to extend their current license to include off-license sales. I know for a fact that some pubs in Cheam have taken this view, so if pubs are not interested why would the club? The notion of supporters policing themselves is shear fantasy. How would fellow supporters deal with a drunken mob of fans hurling slurred abuse at them, by asking them politely not to drink any more beer? No, if drinking is to be allowed, someone has to be responsible for the order of the drinkers. Overall my common sense tells me that letting alcohol be consumed around the ground would not be a good idea for the club. By the nature and history of the game, there are more irresponsible followers of football than other sports. I do not know the reasons for this, but that does not detract from the facts that I have seen throughout my life. Long post, but there are many issues involved in this debate. A long post indeed, yet sums up the whole matter perfectly. Anybody who thinks it's okay for spectators to drink on the terraces off GGL should perhaps volunteer to be a steward every once in a while. I've done it. In fact, when Grays stuffed us in the Trophy a few years ago, I had to persuade a group of Grays lads to part with the bottles of Becks they were quaffing behind the goal. Good job they were 4 nil up at the time.
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Post by sallycat on Aug 24, 2009 22:20:41 GMT
Look at the state of this - Uncontrolled aggression, abusive alcoholics who need religious and spiritual salvation, and families running amok from the grasps of the evil liquor demons....Colston Avenue this arvo: Yeah, but it's quite hard to start a riot with only nine people
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