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Post by taz on Feb 17, 2008 13:46:41 GMT
Eastleigh, for a play-off chasing side were poor. There was no real pace or drive about their performance until the last 5 mins or so.
It's just a shame we couldn't take full advantage.
As for the comment about Steffan, give the guy a f*cking break. It's not like he's come into a team of superstars is it? At least he tries, unlike a few who've pulled on the shirt this season.
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Post by Andy K on Feb 17, 2008 15:14:10 GMT
Got to agree with Taz here. Last week, Steffan was mooted as our saviour...now "he's not good enough for this level".....blimey we may as well all become Spuds supporters (sorry greek . It became clear to me as a supporter that Hazel's man management skills left a lot to be desired, although to be honest his coaching was never really in question. But thats the past and that can't be changed now, regardless how much people want to point the finger of blame. Yes, please go on about Hazel getting us into this position, but that won't change where we are, and personally I'd like to concentrate on positives rather than negatives . Presuming (and its more likely than not) we go down, I for one would be very happy that Ernie manages us. In terms of a managerial replacement, with our position and resources, I think the board got it spot on with Ernie. I don't think there was a better alternative available (and my shock at someone being employed who had no past association with the club). When a team is that negative it takes a lot to turn it around, and a couple of good results generally isnt enough. We just have to look forward now rather than back. I also agree with os point about teams not good enough to be in this division. There are about 6 that are not. 3 (maximum - and I say that thinking that at least one team could drop due to ground/money reasons) of those six will go down. We just have to make sure its not us. Its a simple fact of winning every game left. If we do that we deserve to stay up. If we don't then we dont, regardless of how we are playing. What we as a club have to do is keep trying until the dreaded R appears by our name in the league table. Otherwise our destiny for this season is in our own hands. Perhaps a VERY optimistic view, but whats the point of playing the remainder of the games of going to watch the remainder of the games if you accept defeat that easy. I for one will be at as many games, home and away, that my commitments allow.
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Post by markf on Feb 17, 2008 15:38:52 GMT
Er, Andy, you can hardly call Ian Hazel's one appearance for the club back in the early 1990's as an association more of a brief glance!
Anyway, as Millsy has pointed out as much as the team played well yesterday, it still isn't going to be enough to save us. I thought the youngster's did well yesterday & Harry is improving every match with regards to contribution. He still needs to see a little more of what is in front of him on occasions but that will surely come.
I thought Jason G had a good game too. (& to "in the know" Ian Hazel signed him from Whyteleafe in the summer, so he's not "always been here").
Next week is a big game of course. A win may not keep us up but may result in U's not finishing bottom. I still think there is just too much to do.
The report written from an Eastleigh perspective in the NL Paper is an absolute joke, although our's in the alternative is possibly a little too "homer" (sorry, Hon Sec!).
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Post by DaveF on Feb 17, 2008 18:14:49 GMT
And I thought I bent over backwards to be fair !
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Post by os on Feb 17, 2008 18:59:40 GMT
Steffan is stepping up from a reasonable good lower league side into a struggling side in a higher division, it was never going to be easy. Steffan does not have natural pace, so its down to his strength on the ball and there is no reason why that won't come but, maybe some of us including me are guilty of expecting to much too soon from him?
I am with Andy on the fact we can't give up or throw the towel in while there is a chance we got to fight tooth and nail to stay up. If we go down the important thing is keeping the rebuilding going and not losing too many players, if we can sustain the budget and Erne keeps the turn going we could come straight back up.
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Post by medibot on Feb 18, 2008 11:46:22 GMT
I've been hearing more and more about the ridiculously long list of players we haven't been able to pick up recently despite trying (mainly due to our league place) so wherever we end up next year i'm reasonably confident of us being able to get together a decent side because these potential players will have no longer have such a good reason not to join us.
As it is, we can't sign Conference South standard players because we're bottom and players won't take that risk when other clubs will offer a better deal in terms of career prospects.
You don't take on a new job when there's a chance you'll be demoted.
We can't even sign decent Ryman Premier players for the same reasons, Steffan being an exception to that because as we've already read, he saw it as a chance to prove himself at a higher level and good for him, but for the linesmans flag he could've had our winner.
What we do have in our favour is some fight and commitment. To use a cliche it is 11 men against 11 other men, no matter how good the other teams men are meant to be, it's still that, you always have a chance.
We may not have that many players up to Conf South standard but it doesn't matter if we can turn up to every game, play with commitment and brains and make the best of what we've got.
If we do that we'll pick up points, it might not be enough in the end but we won't know until we try.
As for Hazel ruining the club, well Rob, we all know the reason you didn't like him (how is the bench at Croydon Athletic?...) but you can't employ somebody and put your faith in them without giving them a fair crack of the whip and i can understand to a point why we held onto him when it was all going a bit wrong.
As a club i think we needed this season to wake up and realise that this is not 1988, it is 2008 and football has changed and player attitudes have changed and if we're going to keep what people seem to see as some bizarre right to top level semi-pro football than we have to change with the times.
Although as certain people are finding out there's nowt broken about a good old kick up the arse which is something Ernie brings and i think we needed.
There is no such thing as an easy ride in football and players, fans and board members could do well to remember that.
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Post by suttonview on Feb 19, 2008 11:37:08 GMT
I'm guessing that both Craig and Steffan are on contracts until the end of next season, given that we paid fees for them, so we'll have to hope they will become very effective together because they will be our strike force into next season, whichever league we are in.
Quite a lot of our players seem to have had disputes/have fallen out with Ernie and have moved on or soon will. I hear rumours that Jason is the latest one in this position. Given our poor performances this season, none of them have a lot to shout about and shaking up the squad was necessary and I think next season's line up will look a lot different to the current one. We must hope Ernie is the right man for the job - it's harder to get out of the Ryman than it is to stay in the Conference South.
Whilst I don't wish problems on any other club, we also need to try to finish as high as possible. If we'd won on Saturday, we'd have gone to 3rd bottom and at the end of the season that might be enough to keep us up.
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Post by markf on Feb 19, 2008 18:13:27 GMT
If it kept us up I'd heap loads of problems on any club!
Blimey, last season WSM got away with as did Hayes, although via a different route. I couldn't give a monkey's about anybody else, they certainly won't care about us (save some of the fans, but not to the point of being relegated instead of us!).
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Post by rob on Feb 19, 2008 23:42:20 GMT
Medibot what none of your players suffer from injury then you F*****g sad B*****d,dont worry about my boy he is better than most of the pile of crap you have there,and next time you see me down at your place come and insult my son to my face P***K
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Post by rob on Feb 19, 2008 23:48:04 GMT
On top of your remarks a sad loss in Herve King,and your club makes no comment on it,at least other clubs remembered Herve,still your far more good at insults Medibot.There is a lord you know.
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Post by medibot on Feb 20, 2008 0:18:41 GMT
As far as i'm aware, Sutton United, unlike Croydon Athletic, have no direct connection to Herve and i only read of his death this evening whilst surfing the forums to catch up with the various clubs i have connections with and interests in so it would be somewhat odd if he had been mentioned on here.
For those unaware Herve King was playing for Ringmer at the weekend and collapsed and died on the pitch. Very sad but somewhat irrelevant in the context of this thread.
I notice how it is completely acceptable for you to come swaggering in hurling insults around at players, fans and managers but one word against your son and it's unacceptable.
As an aside, i've nothing against Bradley, i've never seen him play, i've never met him and i wish him no ill but the temptation to show you up as the raving hypocrite that you are was too much.
You've got to learn take what flak you give out back and learn to accept that others opinions may vary from yours and that their difference of opinion is not a personal affront to you but their opinion and it is as valid and as just as yours.
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Post by rob on Feb 20, 2008 0:29:43 GMT
That may well be the case I slagged off Hazel at the time,for a number of reasons in fact too many to mention,but when you come on here and slag individual players like you have done on this thread to my son thats very personal,if you have never seen him play then shut your gob,or ask other people who have,do you know his injury have you a clue,as a matter of interest he has played every game for Croydon this year apart from when he has been injured,but why I am explaining this to you I dont know,I also done alot for the club at Sutton ask Rambo if you like,my point being I can take the flak,but when its family its personal,maybe me and Bradley can come down and see you and you can tell him yourself with your insults,or maybe even better we can play you in the Ryman League Cup next year,and maybe you will be able to see him play.
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Post by medibot on Feb 20, 2008 0:56:06 GMT
As is quite apparent i didn't know Brad was injured, i was just reading a match report and saw him on the bench. I mentioned it because i was pissed off that you'd turned up to stir trouble again. Its purpose aside from the childish comedy of chucking out the bait and reeling somebody in was to hit home the point that you don't go poking around things that hurt for no good reason.
This season has hurt, nobody is enjoying the decline of the club and if you come along and bring up old news and mock then you're going to get peoples backs up.
As for the family thing, i know how it feels and i know it isn't nice but there you go, life's not fair.
As it happens my own relative wasn't picked much by Hazel either but i don't go looking for every opportunity to moan about the decision on the forum and wind people up who are upset as it is.
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Post by Del on Feb 20, 2008 8:27:37 GMT
Rob
I think you have to accept the fact that this is what a forum is all about. You can come on here and slag off Hazel or others and if someone has an opinion of your son then don't take it personally.We all have our opinions of players and this forum is here to air them.
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Post by markf on Feb 20, 2008 18:51:49 GMT
I think I'll steer clear of this argument.
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