3G pitch

[trev]

Feb 5, 2018 11:52:16 GMT cheshire said:

Feb 5, 2018 10:39:20 GMT markf said:

Is that your compromise or one that has been suggested by the powers that be? if the former, what do you think the chances are?

Sounds like a common sense compromise...so on that basis not much chance at all...

Yes, it sounds very sensible, especially as at the end of our first season in Division 2 we would receive total payments in the region of £900k [see previous threads] simply for being in that Division, irrespective of where we would finish, which would be sufficient to cover any pitch alterations, if required.

[sallycat]

Feb 5, 2018 10:12:41 GMT unclescrunky said:

of course if you then "lose" a couple of games that opens the debate about match fixing.

No debate needed. If we were to deliberately lose games, that IS match fixing. Or, put another way, cheating. I suppose that might be an option if we were looking at other ways to be thrown out of the league...

[Amber Aleman]

My own idea though I have passed it on to the EFL, albeit through the medium of Twitter. If it gets to the right people (or, perhaps more likely, if they're already thinking along similar lines 🤔) then I'd hope it would have a decent chance of being put forward as an alternative to our ideal resolution.

[amberchoc]

It wouldn’t hurt to seek some legal advice at this stage. The club may well have done so already (I seem to recall Dos being quoted a couple of months ago as saying that he’d get top sports lawyers onto it, if necessary). It could be that we don’t have a legal leg to stand on due to the fact that we were obliged to sign the stupid agreement before joining the National League, but, if we haven’t already, it might be worth looking into. I would take great delight in seeing the morons in charge at the EFL being taken to the cleaners.

[Del]

Feb 5, 2018 12:32:19 GMT amberchoc said:

It wouldn’t hurt to seek some legal advice at this stage. The club may well have done so already (I seem to recall Dos being quoted a couple of months ago as saying that he’d get top sports lawyers onto it, if necessary). It could be that we don’t have a legal leg to stand on due to the fact that we were obliged to sign the stupid agreement before joining the National League, but, if we haven’t already, it might be worth looking into. I would take great delight in seeing the morons in charge at the EFL being taken to the cleaners.

The EFL are their members not a group of morons unless you mean the NFL.

[mca]

Feb 5, 2018 12:17:19 GMT sallycat said:

Feb 5, 2018 10:12:41 GMT unclescrunky said:

of course if you then "lose" a couple of games that opens the debate about match fixing.

No debate needed. If we were to deliberately lose games, that IS match fixing. Or, put another way, cheating. I suppose that might be an option if we were looking at other ways to be thrown out of the league...

If the promotion rug is pulled from under the players , it wouldn't be surprising if we hardly won a game for the rest of the season. Zero motivation is not cheating

[mca]

Feb 5, 2018 10:12:41 GMT unclescrunky said:

Feb 5, 2018 9:58:02 GMT trev said:

I don't know of course, but I suspect there is much canvassing going on behind the scenes. We're just seeing the tip of the iceberg here...

I really hope that's the case but to me it didn't read that way ( the tweets) - more an acceptance of what is a totally unfair situation where effectively the EFL are saying - "if you don't have a big investor or live with the fear of financial ruin you can't join our club. Moreover if you have a sustainable revenue income and a club that grows and benefits the community - not interested." Whilst its easy to say - the vote should be called before the end of the season to resolve this stupid situation - of course if you then "lose" a couple of games that opens the debate about match fixing. I just hope Dos's comment about "maybe time to start watching The Saints" was tongue in cheek and doesn't hint at something darker.

Maybe someone has canvassed the club's and the vote is already clear cut? Could Just be frustration at the Barrow game and Saturdays pitch. Who knows

[Del]

Yes i'm wondering whats brought all this on.

[sallycat]

Feb 5, 2018 12:54:35 GMT mca said:

Feb 5, 2018 12:17:19 GMT sallycat said:

No debate needed. If we were to deliberately lose games, that IS match fixing. Or, put another way, cheating. I suppose that might be an option if we were looking at other ways to be thrown out of the league...

If the promotion rug is pulled from under the players , it wouldn't be surprising if we hardly won a game for the rest of the season. Zero motivation is not cheating

I said deliberately. Someone up thread seemed to be suggesting we do that, and that's what I was referring to.

[garethl]

Do the FA have any power to step in regarding the EFL rules if they have a strong enough view? I'm assuming no is the answer but clutching to any straws going.

I hope this doesn't distract us from putting results together. Personally I think we should be going all out for winning the competition and creating history and to hell with the consequences. We may not get many/any opportunities to win at the highest non league level again. What is the point in being here if we don't go for this sort of honour? Winning a Conference title can never be taken away even if we have to drop down into the South for a year in a worst case scenario! And just imagine the publicity if that were to happen. The suggestion that we could deliberately lose games, though showing the perverseness of the situation, is something that we as a club should never countenance.

[Del]

Yes we should definitely go all out to win this league as garethl says above.Just imagine the bad publicity if we were to be denied or even relegated.
We would go down in history for one reason or another.

[davef]

We recently signed Tom and Harry from EFL clubs and extended the loans for Owen and Tyrell. I think you have your answer.

[Andy K]

I was reading this thread thinking I had nothing to add (a lot of this stuff time and time again has come up, and still people are blaming the FA rather than the EFL members) but then I see suggestions of deliberately losing games or having no motivation.

What utter bollocks. The former totally suggests wrongdoing at the club, regardless of reasons behind it. The latter pays a massive disservice to an ambitious group of players and ignores the fact that not only are they playing for the club they obviously love playing for and the manager the same, but that every game is an opportunity to put themselves in the "shop window" to progress further. It serves no purpose whatsoever to even consider either of those as being in any shape or form realistic, and personally I'm quite shocked that either of those has been mentioned in a public forum. I'd challenge anyone who has implied that to go up to one of the players or management in the bar after the game and suggest the same and see what reaction you'll get. They may be part time, but to suggest they are anything other than professional is really quite horrific.

Dos wears his heart on his sleeve (one of the many reasons we love the man) but he's also knackered. It's been a tough season and the effort he has put in has been gargantuan. If he goes on his usual February short break then I totally applaud him for it. He deserves it.

We just don't know what conversations have been happening behind the scenes and we're making assumptions based on breadcrumbs of information, which can be interpreted in a way that it's not meant to be. I'm not stopping anyone from making their point or providing "expert" opinion, but a few of the posters on here just need to think a little before writing such guff.

[mca]

Feb 5, 2018 13:41:15 GMT garethl said:

Do the FA have any power to step in regarding the EFL rules if they have a strong enough view? I'm assuming no is the answer but clutching to any straws going.

I hope this doesn't distract us from putting results together. Personally I think we should be going all out for winning the competition and creating history and to hell with the consequences. We may not get many/any opportunities to win at the highest non league level again. What is the point in being here if we don't go for this sort of honour? Winning a Conference title can never be taken away even if we have to drop down into the South for a year in a worst case scenario! And just imagine the publicity if that were to happen. The suggestion that we could deliberately lose games, though showing the perverseness of the situation, is something that we as a club should never countenance.

Well said. Get promotion and kick up an almighty stink if they deny us. Seems the least worst option as the infrastructure stays in place and we make the mother of all points

[mca]

Feb 5, 2018 13:59:52 GMT Andy K said:

I was reading this thread thinking I had nothing to add (a lot of this stuff time and time again has come up, and still people are blaming the FA rather than the EFL members) but then I see suggestions of deliberately losing games or having no motivation.

What utter bollocks. The former totally suggests wrongdoing at the club, regardless of reasons behind it. The latter pays a massive disservice to an ambitious group of players and ignores the fact that not only are they playing for the club they obviously love playing for and the manager the same, but that every game is an opportunity to put themselves in the "shop window" to progress further. It serves no purpose whatsoever to even consider either of those as being in any shape or form realistic, and personally I'm quite shocked that either of those has been mentioned in a public forum. I'd challenge anyone who has implied that to go up to one of the players or management in the bar after the game and suggest the same and see what reaction you'll get. They may be part time, but to suggest they are anything other than professional is really quite horrific.

Dos wears his heart on his sleeve (one of the many reasons we love the man) but he's also knackered. It's been a tough season and the effort he has put in has been gargantuan. If he goes on his usual February short break then I totally applaud him for it. He deserves it.

We just don't know what conversations have been happening behind the scenes and we're making assumptions based on breadcrumbs of information, which can be interpreted in a way that it's not meant to be. I'm not stopping anyone from making their point or providing "expert" opinion, but a few of the posters on here just need to think a little before writing such guff.

Why do you insist of abusing posters and turning conversations into off topic arguments? You could see how pumped and determined the players were after the Dagenham game, talking about winning the league etc. To be told they're wasting their time by the authorities would, imo, take the wind out of their sails and be so deflating that moral would plummet and without the motivation of needing to win games they are more likely to lose. That's just human nature. Not a slight on them. And nobody suggested they'd deliberate lose games, just the absurdity of being in a situation where not going up is better for the club short term. Please don't turn this into something else