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Post by Jared on Feb 5, 2018 14:16:51 GMT
I was reading this thread thinking I had nothing to add (a lot of this stuff time and time again has come up, and still people are blaming the FA rather than the EFL members) but then I see suggestions of deliberately losing games or having no motivation. What utter bollocks. The former totally suggests wrongdoing at the club, regardless of reasons behind it. The latter pays a massive disservice to an ambitious group of players and ignores the fact that not only are they playing for the club they obviously love playing for and the manager the same, but that every game is an opportunity to put themselves in the "shop window" to progress further. It serves no purpose whatsoever to even consider either of those as being in any shape or form realistic, and personally I'm quite shocked that either of those has been mentioned in a public forum. I'd challenge anyone who has implied that to go up to one of the players or management in the bar after the game and suggest the same and see what reaction you'll get. They may be part time, but to suggest they are anything other than professional is really quite horrific. Dos wears his heart on his sleeve (one of the many reasons we love the man) but he's also knackered. It's been a tough season and the effort he has put in has been gargantuan. If he goes on his usual February short break then I totally applaud him for it. He deserves it. We just don't know what conversations have been happening behind the scenes and we're making assumptions based on breadcrumbs of information, which can be interpreted in a way that it's not meant to be. I'm not stopping anyone from making their point or providing "expert" opinion, but a few of the posters on here just need to think a little before writing such guff. Why do you insist of abusing posters and turning conversations into off topic arguments? You could see how pumped and determined the players were after the Dagenham game, talking about winning the league etc. To be told they're wasting their time by the authorities would, imo, take the wind out of their sails and be so deflating that moral would plummet and without the motivation of needing to win games they are more likely to lose. That's just human nature. Not a slight on them. And nobody suggested they'd deliberate lose games, just the absurdity of being in a situation where not going up is better for the club short term. Please don't turn this into something else [be Where's the abuse of other posters? Or are you comparing a genuine opinion to abuse based on your own dislikes? This is an emotive subject and it will illicit emotional responses |
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Post by Andy K on Feb 5, 2018 14:19:42 GMT
I was reading this thread thinking I had nothing to add (a lot of this stuff time and time again has come up, and still people are blaming the FA rather than the EFL members) but then I see suggestions of deliberately losing games or having no motivation. What utter bollocks. The former totally suggests wrongdoing at the club, regardless of reasons behind it. The latter pays a massive disservice to an ambitious group of players and ignores the fact that not only are they playing for the club they obviously love playing for and the manager the same, but that every game is an opportunity to put themselves in the "shop window" to progress further. It serves no purpose whatsoever to even consider either of those as being in any shape or form realistic, and personally I'm quite shocked that either of those has been mentioned in a public forum. I'd challenge anyone who has implied that to go up to one of the players or management in the bar after the game and suggest the same and see what reaction you'll get. They may be part time, but to suggest they are anything other than professional is really quite horrific. Dos wears his heart on his sleeve (one of the many reasons we love the man) but he's also knackered. It's been a tough season and the effort he has put in has been gargantuan. If he goes on his usual February short break then I totally applaud him for it. He deserves it. We just don't know what conversations have been happening behind the scenes and we're making assumptions based on breadcrumbs of information, which can be interpreted in a way that it's not meant to be. I'm not stopping anyone from making their point or providing "expert" opinion, but a few of the posters on here just need to think a little before writing such guff. Why do you insist of abusing posters and turning conversations into off topic arguments? You could see how pumped and determined the players were after the Dagenham game, talking about winning the league etc. To be told they're wasting their time by the authorities would, imo, take the wind out of their sails and be so deflating that moral would plummet and without the motivation of needing to win games they are more likely to lose. That's just human nature. Not a slight on them. And nobody suggested they'd deliberate lose games, just the absurdity of being in a situation where not going up is better for the club short term. Please don't turn this into something else Oh dear. Here you go again. I've reacted to people suggesting exactly what I responded to. If you can't read then don't bother to reply. There is no rule stopping us from winning the league. What player wouldn't want to have a league title in their portfolio? And who has said that we won't go up if we won the title or won the play off. Nothing has been decided yet. So even to suggest that as this stage does the players and management a disservice. If you think that what I said is "abusing posters" or turning the conversation into off topic arguments then I respecfully suggest that it is your own personal issue dealt with the fact that you are not reading posts properly. Go back and read the thread again. |
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Post by amberchoc on Feb 5, 2018 14:22:54 GMT
It wouldn’t hurt to seek some legal advice at this stage. The club may well have done so already (I seem to recall Dos being quoted a couple of months ago as saying that he’d get top sports lawyers onto it, if necessary). It could be that we don’t have a legal leg to stand on due to the fact that we were obliged to sign the stupid agreement before joining the National League, but, if we haven’t already, it might be worth looking into. I would take great delight in seeing the morons in charge at the EFL being taken to the cleaners. The EFL are their members not a group of morons unless you mean the NFL. Those in charge, I said (i.e. the Football League board).
It’s the double-relegation punishment that appals me more than anything. How on earth that can be justified? That rule has to change whether we’re involved or not.
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Post by mca on Feb 5, 2018 14:24:14 GMT
Why do you insist of abusing posters and turning conversations into off topic arguments? You could see how pumped and determined the players were after the Dagenham game, talking about winning the league etc. To be told they're wasting their time by the authorities would, imo, take the wind out of their sails and be so deflating that moral would plummet and without the motivation of needing to win games they are more likely to lose. That's just human nature. Not a slight on them. And nobody suggested they'd deliberate lose games, just the absurdity of being in a situation where not going up is better for the club short term. Please don't turn this into something else Oh dear. Here you go again. I've reacted to people suggesting exactly what I responded to. If you can't read then don't bother to reply. There is no rule stopping us from winning the league. What player wouldn't want to have a league title in their portfolio? And who has said that we won't go up if we won the title or won the play off. Nothing has been decided yet. So even to suggest that as this stage does the players and management a disservice. If you think that what I said is "abusing posters" or turning the conversation into off topic arguments then I respecfully suggest that it is your own personal issue dealt with the fact that you are not reading posts properly. Go back and read the thread again. "Utter bollox" "think before writing such guff" That's just rude. No need to belittle people's contributions, especially when you've not understood what they're trying to say. Let's stop squabbling anyway. This is an important subject |
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Post by Del on Feb 5, 2018 14:36:51 GMT
The EFL are their members not a group of morons unless you mean the NFL. Those in charge, I said (i.e. the Football League board).
It’s the double-relegation punishment that appals me more than anything. How on earth that can be justified? That rule has to change whether we’re involved or not.
To be fair that's not the EFL its National League making that decision. I can understand why they made it because the last thing they want is not to use up one of their promotion places especially as they are trying to add a third place. |
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Post by jr on Feb 5, 2018 15:45:27 GMT
We recently signed Tom and Harry from EFL clubs and extended the loans for Owen and Tyrell. I think you have your answer. I don't think this needs to be discussed any more for the time being. Dave sums the situation up perfectly. Lets perhaps discuss this in another 10 games or so. There's a hell of a long way to go and lots of things can change in the next 6 weeks. |
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Post by mca on Feb 5, 2018 15:58:11 GMT
We recently signed Tom and Harry from EFL clubs and extended the loans for Owen and Tyrell. I think you have your answer. I don't think this needs to be discussed any more for the time being. Dave sums the situation up perfectly. Lets perhaps discuss this in another 10 games or so. There's a hell of a long way to go and lots of things can change in the next 6 weeks. Of course, but overnight PD implied a complete turn about in the club's thinking re promotion, and also that's he's considered walking away with the comment about watching the saints. He seems utterly fed up with the situation and questioning his own motivation at the moment so I think it's reasonable to discuss it? |
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Post by Jared on Feb 5, 2018 16:23:40 GMT
We recently signed Tom and Harry from EFL clubs and extended the loans for Owen and Tyrell. I think you have your answer. I don't think this needs to be discussed any more for the time being. Dave sums the situation up perfectly. Lets perhaps discuss this in another 10 games or so. There's a hell of a long way to go and lots of things can change in the next 6 weeks. Stop being sensible! This is the internet, people need to jump to conclusions based on little evidence, scaremongering and poor interpretations covered under 'discussion'. There is no place for calm, reasoned approaches and trying to keep calm. Oops, I think I may have been 'abusive' |
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Post by jr on Feb 5, 2018 16:25:21 GMT
I don't think this needs to be discussed any more for the time being. Dave sums the situation up perfectly. Lets perhaps discuss this in another 10 games or so. There's a hell of a long way to go and lots of things can change in the next 6 weeks. Of course, but overnight PD implied a complete turn about in the club's thinking re promotion, and also that's he's considered walking away with the comment about watching the saints. He seems utterly fed up with the situation and questioning his own motivation at the moment so I think it's reasonable to discuss it? I would look at the timings of the posts. He's very upset with some of the decisions on Saturday, the state of the pitch, the late call off at Barrow and the EFL. Quite reasonable and I totally agree but given the timing of the tweets (and I've done this many times!!) I would guess a bottle of wine might have been involved. The greatest manager this club has ever seen isn't leaving, end of. |
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Post by Jared on Feb 5, 2018 16:25:49 GMT
Oh dear. Here you go again. I've reacted to people suggesting exactly what I responded to. If you can't read then don't bother to reply. There is no rule stopping us from winning the league. What player wouldn't want to have a league title in their portfolio? And who has said that we won't go up if we won the title or won the play off. Nothing has been decided yet. So even to suggest that as this stage does the players and management a disservice. If you think that what I said is "abusing posters" or turning the conversation into off topic arguments then I respecfully suggest that it is your own personal issue dealt with the fact that you are not reading posts properly. Go back and read the thread again. "Utter bollox" "think before writing such guff" That's just rude. No need to belittle people's contributions, especially when you've not understood what they're trying to say. Let's stop squabbling anyway. This is an important subject If you're trying to stay on subject why bring it up, unless you have a mis-placed personal vendetta? Or am I being abusive |
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Post by Andy K on Feb 5, 2018 16:30:03 GMT
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Post by amberchoc on Feb 5, 2018 17:08:32 GMT
Looking into my crystal ball, I see that a reporter has just been given his cue:
“And with five minutes left in this National League play-off final between Bromley and Sutton United, there's been a plethora of own goals here with the score currently standing at 35-all. Both sides, desperate to lose, have been piling backwards in search of a loser. Back to the studio.”
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Post by Amber Aleman on Feb 5, 2018 17:16:41 GMT
The quote from Shaun Harvey in the Chester Chronicle piece confirms that, were the EFL to vote in favour of 3G in June, the change wouldn't take effect until 2019/20. So of no help to Sutton or Bromley if either gets promoted this year.
Unless the EFL adopts the sort of compromise that I proposed earlier, we have three possible scenarios for next season.
1. Playing in League 2 on grass
2. Continuing to play in the National League on 3G
3. Playing in National League South on 3G
I appreciate and respect that other people may have different views, but my strong preference is for Option 2.
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Post by kpinwp on Feb 5, 2018 17:47:46 GMT
Do the FA have any power to step in regarding the EFL rules if they have a strong enough view? I'm assuming no is the answer but clutching to any straws going. I hope this doesn't distract us from putting results together. Personally I think we should be going all out for winning the competition and creating history and to hell with the consequences. We may not get many/any opportunities to win at the highest non league level again. What is the point in being here if we don't go for this sort of honour? Winning a Conference title can never be taken away even if we have to drop down into the South for a year in a worst case scenario! And just imagine the publicity if that were to happen. The suggestion that we could deliberately lose games, though showing the perverseness of the situation, is something that we as a club should never countenance. Well said. This nails the whole thing as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by sallycat on Feb 5, 2018 18:08:22 GMT
PD implied a complete turn about in the club's thinking re promotion Did he? Dos was careful to state that these are his own personal views. And since the club hasn't made its contingency plan public, how would we know if their thinking changed? |
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