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Post by localboy86 on Feb 21, 2018 11:13:24 GMT
Anybody else looking at the next six fixtures and trying desperately not to get rather excited? 🙋🏼♂️🙋🏼♂️ |
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Post by Stewart on Feb 21, 2018 11:41:30 GMT
I love this post on the Torquay forum... Plymouth Gull wrote: ↑Today, 08:04 Fair play to Sutton for the most effective use of a GK I've seen at Plainmoor in a long time. Absolutely acted as a sweeper keeper, often rushing out of goal in order to receive the ball from a free kick up near the half way line. It's bold, but when faced with a defensive minded team like us (ie leaving one upfront), it gave them a much higher chance of keeping the ball. Although not a new tactical innovation in a strict sense; this tactic has become more popular in no small part to the successes achieved by elite managers like Pep Guardiola, Joachim Low, Mauricio Pochettino and Luis Enrique while using this tactic. Pep even raised a few eyebrows when he immediately asked for Manchester City to sign Marc Andre Ter Stergen from Barcelona, Barcelona refused to sell and Pep was forced to make do with Claudio Bravo who many are of the opinion is an inferior goalie (with his hands) to the axed Joe Hart who is a veritable dinosaur to any enlightened coach. Reply...... That's why in this day and age; two footedness, and a perfect first touch are as important for a goalkeeper as any outfield player and training should reflect the importance of that.........are United still operating without a goalkeeping coach? Only on Saturday I watched the Dulwich Hamlet goalkeeper Preston Edwards spending the first ten minutes of his pre-match routine doing one-twos with the goalkeeping coach, ensuring his first touch, two footedness and balance were good. In simple terms, a sweeper keeper is a goalkeeper who controls the space behind the defensive line by pushing up and staying as close to it as possible and actively participating in his team’s play when they have the ball thereby operating as an eleventh outfield player. Modern football is all about space management and control and having your goalkeeper push up behind your defence, enables the team to effectively control that space. That's why I think Dorel is superior to any keeper we have had in recent seasons as he prefers to play with his back line pushed well out away from him. Contrast that with the likes of Rice and that American fella who were inveterate line huggers and allowed the back line to get under their feet and in the way whilst conceding ground unnecessarily. “In my teams, the goalkeeper is the first attacker and the centre forward is the first defender” ~ JOHAN CRYUFF The father of total football Johan Cryuff put great emphasis on the technical abilities of every member of his team including the goal keeper. His philosophy which has greatly influenced his heir Pep Guardiola is all about mastery of space and being able to break through successive lines of opposition pressure to score; it is in this regard that a keeper acting as the eleventh outfield player becomes important. In football, 80% of the game is spent either trying to progress the ball through successive zones or trying to stop the ball from being progressed cleanly, this is the basis of attacking and defending, and that is why teams will usually instruct their furthest forward player to do whatever he can to restrict the opposition’s build up. It is in the first phase build up that the greatest danger lies for the team in possession because if they lose the ball there, the opposition has a shorter path to goal and can attack them directly. However, when the opposition presses with the same number of attackers as the team in possession has defenders to build up with the goal keeper becomes a vital means of creating an initial overload necessary for a clean progression. Pep Guardiola has used this principle to devastating effect during his relatively short coaching career in which He has won 22 trophies in just 8 years. The first person to play this role for him was current Middlesbrough goal keeper Victor Valdes and all through his career he has shown a liking for keepers who do more than just keep. I wish I had been there to see this put in practice last night! link |
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Post by amberfc on Feb 21, 2018 12:17:33 GMT
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Post by Andy K on Feb 21, 2018 12:29:11 GMT
Can someone explain how their first goal wasn't offside? Yes Eastmond was "in front of them" but off the field of play on the floor? Did Collins play them onside and the camera didn't pick up on it?
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Post by davef on Feb 21, 2018 12:37:56 GMT
A player off the field is still in play as far as the offside rule is concerned (otherwise you could just step back off the pitch to play forwards offside)
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Post by steviem on Feb 21, 2018 12:45:50 GMT
Can someone explain how their first goal wasn't offside? Yes Eastmond was "in front of them" but off the field of play on the floor? Did Collins play them onside and the camera didn't pick up on it? More to the point how is one attacker blocking Butler from getting to the ball while the other guy heads it in not a foul? |
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Post by SG on Feb 21, 2018 12:49:05 GMT
Can someone explain how their first goal wasn't offside? Yes Eastmond was "in front of them" but off the field of play on the floor? Did Collins play them onside and the camera didn't pick up on it? The offside "line" automatically becomes the goal line in this situation, so everyone was onside. Not quite sure how the ref deemed the challenge on Butler as being remotely fair, mind you. |
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Post by sol on Feb 21, 2018 13:00:18 GMT
I love this post on the Torquay forum... Plymouth Gull wrote: ↑Today, 08:04 Fair play to Sutton for the most effective use of a GK I've seen at Plainmoor in a long time. Absolutely acted as a sweeper keeper, often rushing out of goal in order to receive the ball from a free kick up near the half way line. It's bold, but when faced with a defensive minded team like us (ie leaving one upfront), it gave them a much higher chance of keeping the ball. Although not a new tactical innovation in a strict sense; this tactic has become more popular in no small part to the successes achieved by elite managers like Pep Guardiola, Joachim Low, Mauricio Pochettino and Luis Enrique while using this tactic. Pep even raised a few eyebrows when he immediately asked for Manchester City to sign Marc Andre Ter Stergen from Barcelona, Barcelona refused to sell and Pep was forced to make do with Claudio Bravo who many are of the opinion is an inferior goalie (with his hands) to the axed Joe Hart who is a veritable dinosaur to any enlightened coach. Reply...... That's why in this day and age; two footedness, and a perfect first touch are as important for a goalkeeper as any outfield player and training should reflect the importance of that.........are United still operating without a goalkeeping coach? Only on Saturday I watched the Dulwich Hamlet goalkeeper Preston Edwards spending the first ten minutes of his pre-match routine doing one-twos with the goalkeeping coach, ensuring his first touch, two footedness and balance were good. In simple terms, a sweeper keeper is a goalkeeper who controls the space behind the defensive line by pushing up and staying as close to it as possible and actively participating in his team’s play when they have the ball thereby operating as an eleventh outfield player. Modern football is all about space management and control and having your goalkeeper push up behind your defence, enables the team to effectively control that space. That's why I think Dorel is superior to any keeper we have had in recent seasons as he prefers to play with his back line pushed well out away from him. Contrast that with the likes of Rice and that American fella who were inveterate line huggers and allowed the back line to get under their feet and in the way whilst conceding ground unnecessarily. “In my teams, the goalkeeper is the first attacker and the centre forward is the first defender” ~ JOHAN CRYUFF The father of total football Johan Cryuff put great emphasis on the technical abilities of every member of his team including the goal keeper. His philosophy which has greatly influenced his heir Pep Guardiola is all about mastery of space and being able to break through successive lines of opposition pressure to score; it is in this regard that a keeper acting as the eleventh outfield player becomes important. In football, 80% of the game is spent either trying to progress the ball through successive zones or trying to stop the ball from being progressed cleanly, this is the basis of attacking and defending, and that is why teams will usually instruct their furthest forward player to do whatever he can to restrict the opposition’s build up. It is in the first phase build up that the greatest danger lies for the team in possession because if they lose the ball there, the opposition has a shorter path to goal and can attack them directly. However, when the opposition presses with the same number of attackers as the team in possession has defenders to build up with the goal keeper becomes a vital means of creating an initial overload necessary for a clean progression. Pep Guardiola has used this principle to devastating effect during his relatively short coaching career in which He has won 22 trophies in just 8 years. The first person to play this role for him was current Middlesbrough goal keeper Victor Valdes and all through his career he has shown a liking for keepers who do more than just keep. I wish I had been there to see this put in practice last night! linkJamie Butler is a superb GK - works tremendously hard at his technique and can be spotted ggl working the hard yards way after training has finished. |
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Post by Kebab Belly Bob on Feb 21, 2018 13:02:45 GMT
A strange rule given that a player could be unconscious/badly injured and unable to return to the field of play in that moment.
The ref and lino didn't cover themselves in glory last night with some strange decisions.
Kbb
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Post by cheshire on Feb 21, 2018 13:24:44 GMT
A player off the field is still in play as far as the offside rule is concerned (otherwise you could just step back off the pitch to play forwards offside) This was discussed last night on the commentary....apparently the rule was changed recently as davef says to stop a player deliberately stepping off the field. So how does this fit with the business about a player being "active"? Craig didn't appear very "active" at that moment of the match? |
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Post by mca on Feb 21, 2018 13:53:00 GMT
A player off the field is still in play as far as the offside rule is concerned (otherwise you could just step back off the pitch to play forwards offside) This was discussed last night on the commentary....apparently the rule was changed recently as davef says to stop a player deliberately stepping off the field. So how does this fit with the business about a player being "active"? Craig didn't appear very "active" at that moment of the match? Then is becomes a job for the ref to decide if he's acting. Players would soon learn to throw themselves to the floor in agony off the pitch if it meant getting an offside. I think its a fair enough rule. Unless theyre legally off and getting treatment then they're still in play. |
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Post by SG on Feb 21, 2018 14:06:26 GMT
This was discussed last night on the commentary....apparently the rule was changed recently as davef says to stop a player deliberately stepping off the field. So how does this fit with the business about a player being "active"? Craig didn't appear very "active" at that moment of the match? Then is becomes a job for the ref to decide if he's acting. Players would soon learn to throw themselves to the floor in agony off the pitch if it meant getting an offside. I think its a fair enough rule. Unless theyre legally off and getting treatment then they're still in play. This, basically. With everything else going on, I don't think it's reasonable to expect a referee to be able to make a call on a player's intention. |
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Post by Del on Feb 21, 2018 14:08:23 GMT
Just got back.What a night & what a dreadful set of officials at the match. Add to that the refreshment hut was closed & you had to give your orders to someone walking around the terrace who would eventually bring you cold food & drink !
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Post by oohaah on Feb 21, 2018 14:15:12 GMT
The offside question should never have arisen as the 'corner' should have been a goal kick.
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Post by cheshire on Feb 21, 2018 14:24:32 GMT
So I hear...unfortunately for those of us not there, the build up to the corner wasn't shown on the highlights  |
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