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Post by sallycat on Jul 9, 2018 19:32:32 GMT
That may be the case with you Sal but the lbs guy has so far visited and firstly closed one section of terracing - since reopened - then another (at cr end) resulting in the need for a sterile area under the cr side cover even though there was a gate at the end of it and a natural sterile area the other side. Even though Aldershot brought 1200 fans to that end and they all safely left the ground. Now he has enforced this no standing in flat areas. That's a drip, drip method if ever I saw one. Next it will be something else. It's bollocks I do see where you're coming from but it often does look that way because circumstances change, standards are raised and loads of other things change in between inspections. Just saying I have a lot of experience with this sort of thing and very often come across this exact complaint. "You're moving the goalposts," "You're just looking for something to pick us up on" "there's always something else every time." I'm not flat out saying you're wrong, it's just that what you're presenting isn't evidence that you're not. I don't really see what's in it for them to find fault unnecessarily, but maybe you have a better idea (that isn't sarcasm!). |
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Post by davethegrave on Jul 9, 2018 19:45:43 GMT
Maybe all our whinging and moaning will have an effect. We seem to be a victim of our own success over the last couple of years.
Will SCR supporters have to comply? Who is paying for all the extra security needed?
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Post by Del on Jul 9, 2018 19:52:07 GMT
Maybe all our whinging and moaning will have an effect. We seem to be a victim of our own success over the last couple of years. Will SCR supporters have to comply? Who is paying for all the extra security needed? very good point about SCR. |
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Post by os on Jul 9, 2018 19:54:28 GMT
I must admit I do get angry about NL football grounds, access and supporter arrangements more normally at away grounds.
I am very much aware of the difficulties that those with disabilities face when attending football especially at lower levels. If you were to look around our ground in previous seasons you will see many disabled and partially disabled supporters for which the perimeter area is best and most comfortable place for them.
I have seen many grounds where fans are penned in like chickens, and I know that it is far more unsafe then anything at GGL.
If I had the time I would like to lobby for better access and arrangements for all disabled people attending football matches.
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Post by tonyd on Jul 9, 2018 21:12:26 GMT
Maybe all our whinging and moaning will have an effect. We seem to be a victim of our own success over the last couple of years. Will SCR supporters have to comply? Who is paying for all the extra security needed? I don't see why it should have an effect. I imagine the club is just as peed off about this as we are and I don't suppose the HSE read this forum! |
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Post by brisfitboy on Jul 9, 2018 22:10:38 GMT
Just a couple of points after Saturdays game. I noticed that the barriers in the covered area on the Rec side had no gap at the ends, so if there was a panic to get out I could see people getting crushed as there would not be enough space for everyone to leave, also although some people could duck under the barriers elderly or infirm people might not be able to.
Also re no standing on the “flat”. Last winter when we played Merstham on 25th February it was freezing and we were told because of H&S we had to sit in the stand as it was icy and we could fall a over t and if we damaged ourselves might sue SUFC. As a lot of us stand/stood on the green by the rail which I am sure would not be icy, we are now instructed to stand on raised concrete, not flat concrete, so what would the state of that be if there was a reincarnation of the weather conditions of last February on one of our normal league days.
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Post by VCLXI on Jul 9, 2018 22:44:24 GMT
Not sure this is pertinent to the thread but regarding the point of suing the club about slipping over as when I go I stand in the Collingwood Rec side, what idiot could possibly say that it is the club's fault that they didn't wear appropriate footwear?
Kinda beggars belief! I do realise that the club have to abide by rules and is not their doing but this does seem to be 'elf n safety gone mad.
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Post by colinf on Jul 9, 2018 22:58:22 GMT
So here are my observations.
I was at the blue legends game standing towards the back of the recently reopened terrace to the side of Jennys.
I wanted to go for refreshments.
I'm not so young anymore so I find it hard to duck under barrier, specially downhill as it were. There are three ways off the terrace now, centre or either end.
All were blocked by other fans at this well attended game.
Should these ares not be kept clear with some ground markings. like in a previous post there are not so many ways down from the higher steps now.
I, in common with others it seems, from conversations with other fans, am wary of walking along the terracing levels , needing to concentrate to be sure of not stepping off the edge of the level I'm on. (I am being serious here). So I would use the barriers as hand rails to walk lengthways, except of course they are the favourite spot for people to lean against.
Personally I feel less when on the terraces now.
I usually prefer the higher angle to watch the game rather than pitch side, but had taken to standing on the flat recently.
Oh well back to the terracing I guess , for now at least.
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Post by Jason on Jul 10, 2018 5:59:33 GMT
GGL will lose atmosphere , the players will also miss the interaction being closer with fans
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Post by davethegrave on Jul 10, 2018 6:43:58 GMT
What do you think Mark?
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Post by jr on Jul 10, 2018 7:36:56 GMT
I think it would be interesting to see the HSE report as it affects us, the fans. I would also be interested to see the HSE report for the Woking v Aldershot game on 1 Jan 2017 where there were 3224 people in attendance.
Freedom of Information requests may have to go in!
We have had 3 crowds above 3224 since 1 Jan 2017 with arsenal being the obvious with plenty of people climbing on the perimeter fence.
It appears to me that Woking's fence is lower than ours.
How deep are their foundations compared to ours?
Was there a fault in the material or the construction process?
Were the same construction firms used for both projects and what's their HSE record?
We, I would say, have a larger ground and certainly more fencing so the load would be spread more evenly. Has this been taken into account?
All answers I'm sure the reports with reveal.
To me though as Mark says.
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Post by Del on Jul 10, 2018 8:17:44 GMT
Just a couple of points after Saturdays game. I noticed that the barriers in the covered area on the Rec side had no gap at the ends, so if there was a panic to get out I could see people getting crushed as there would not be enough space for everyone to leave, also although some people could duck under the barriers elderly or infirm people might not be able to. Also re no standing on the “flat”. Last winter when we played Merstham on 25th February it was freezing and we were told because of H&S we had to sit in the stand as it was icy and we could fall a over t and if we damaged ourselves might sue SUFC. As a lot of us stand/stood on the green by the rail which I am sure would not be icy, we are now instructed to stand on raised concrete, not flat concrete, so what would the state of that be if there was a reincarnation of the weather conditions of last February on one of our normal league days. It does concern me that the rec side has no gap at the ends of the barriers and everyone has to funnel through a narrow gap. |
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Post by steveo77 on Jul 10, 2018 13:43:13 GMT
talk about creating unnecessary problems!!
just been reading the thread as I didn't attend last Saturday, so haven't yet seen the reality of the situation yet, but it sounds as though it is some ill thought through idea from someone who hasn't ever attended a game at the ground!
as someone rightly pointed out earlier in the thread there were NO problems when we played Leeds or Arsenal in the FA Cup so there are highly unlikely to be any issues when we play National League games!!
I hope that common sense will prevail here in time. It seems a little crazy that I can't stand against a fence with a few other people, where there is NEVER any crushing. The only place in the ground where you get that is at the bar. I expect that will be the next thing that will be looked at!!
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Post by mca on Jul 10, 2018 14:53:40 GMT
talk about creating unnecessary problems!! just been reading the thread as I didn't attend last Saturday, so haven't yet seen the reality of the situation yet, but it sounds as though it is some ill thought through idea from someone who hasn't ever attended a game at the ground! as someone rightly pointed out earlier in the thread there were NO problems when we played Leeds or Arsenal in the FA Cup so there are highly unlikely to be any issues when we play National League games!! I hope that common sense will prevail here in time. It seems a little crazy that I can't stand against a fence with a few other people, where there is NEVER any crushing. The only place in the ground where you get that is at the bar. I expect that will be the next thing that will be looked at!! I fear as a society we may be reaping what we have sewn. From my experience, those that scream "elf and safely gone mad" would be the 1st to rub their hands at a compensation opportunity even, especially if the fault lay with the same Individual. The "just in case" mentality has arrived because of a complete lack of personal responsibility. It's always gotta be someone else's fault and organizations have to cover themselves againsts this. To the point where kids can't stand against a fence to watch footy, in case something that's never happened at a venue, because there's never a big enough crowd, Might just happen 1 day. |
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Post by jamesmichaelcooper on Jul 10, 2018 15:33:43 GMT
Just a couple of points after Saturdays game. I noticed that the barriers in the covered area on the Rec side had no gap at the ends, so if there was a panic to get out I could see people getting crushed as there would not be enough space for everyone to leave, also although some people could duck under the barriers elderly or infirm people might not be able to. Also re no standing on the “flat”. Last winter when we played Merstham on 25th February it was freezing and we were told because of H&S we had to sit in the stand as it was icy and we could fall a over t and if we damaged ourselves might sue SUFC. As a lot of us stand/stood on the green by the rail which I am sure would not be icy, we are now instructed to stand on raised concrete, not flat concrete, so what would the state of that be if there was a reincarnation of the weather conditions of last February on one of our normal league days. It does concern me that the rec side has no gap at the ends of the barriers and everyone has to funnel through a narrow gap. That post reminded me of one of my favourite old ‘ends’ at Football, Burnley’s old ‘Bee Hole End’ which got its name from the image you would get when you try and picture everybody trying to get out at the end of the game   |
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