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Post by halftimet on Oct 22, 2019 21:23:33 GMT
Don't forget we also run the risk of losing our better players who may be disillusioned with the way we are playing. There would be someone who would take them at the drop of a hat.
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Post by steviem on Oct 22, 2019 21:44:10 GMT
Three points on Saturday or I'm afraid I'll be joining the Gray out brigade. Being trounced by a fairly average looking side from the league below is simply not good enough, I defended Matt after Saturdays showing but there arent any excuses that will wash here. The players let him down on Saturday but he's clearly not been able to get them up for this game and that is more worrying than any individual result I don't think the players did let him down on Saturday. The tactics let THEM down. Given the number of chances we created on Saturday, I thought the tactics were pretty good.
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Post by baboonfish on Oct 22, 2019 21:45:03 GMT
Three points on Saturday or I'm afraid I'll be joining the Gray out brigade. Being trounced by a fairly average looking side from the league below is simply not good enough, I defended Matt after Saturdays showing but there arent any excuses that will wash here. The players let him down on Saturday but he's clearly not been able to get them up for this game and that is more worrying than any individual result I don't think the players did let him down on Saturday. The tactics let THEM down. Dave, you're incorrect. The players did not finish the job on Saturday, it was not Matt's fault. However, it's utterly irrelevant and it's clear that he's not managed to get his players properly motivated and organised for tonight. The next two games will tell us whether the players are willing to fight for him or not. If the answer is no the board must act but they wont get rid of him at this stage I'm sure of that
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Post by Del on Oct 22, 2019 22:06:41 GMT
We defended poorly tonight not shutting attackers down quickly enough but there was nothing wrong with our tactics. Billericay took all their chances and we had two off the post.Forget the 5th as we were pressing hard . The team showed plenty of commitment and its difficult to know what we could have done differently apart from closing down players on the edge of the box.Perhaps we backed off too much. Julian apart from being a first class tw*t did command his box well.
The team was motivated and its difficult to level criticism at Matt on this occasion.
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Post by Andy K on Oct 22, 2019 22:12:58 GMT
Just remember when one sacks a manager they more often than not get a significant part, if not all of their contract paid as severance. That's why contracts exist. To protect employer and employee.
Now think about if Sutton can financially afford to sack a manager (or any member of staff) and the effect that will have on the seasons budget.
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Post by VCLXI on Oct 22, 2019 22:14:37 GMT
Perspectives, eh? Zidane apparently was close to the sack after Real Madrid lost in the league for the first time this season and was 'on the brink' had they not won tonight in the Champions League.
OK, Sutton and Real Madrid are poles apart but that does put it into, well, a perspective.
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Post by Nick the Greek/The Speshul One on Oct 22, 2019 22:15:41 GMT
I don't think the players did let him down on Saturday. The tactics let THEM down. Dave, you're incorrect. The players did not finish the job on Saturday, it was not Matt's fault. However, it's utterly irrelevant and it's clear that he's not managed to get his players properly motivated and organised for tonight. The next two games will tell us whether the players are willing to fight for him or not. If the answer is no the board must act but they wont get rid of him at this stage I'm sure of that I’ve seen enough, I don’t need another 2 games. He took a striker off for a defensive midfielder on Saturday and we conceded. Also they had chances on Saturday they could have taken to beaten us, it wasn’t all one way. Tonight they took 5 of their multiple chances. Football is a results game and he is not getting good enough results. 5-2 against a team a division below us. I would say Harry Beautyman, what a man, to come and apologise at the end of the game when he had run himself in to the ground. He had nothing to apologise for, and yes there may have been individual errors, but under Matt I have seen nothing that makes me think he is a good enough Manager and the buck stops with him.
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Post by oohaah on Oct 22, 2019 22:19:54 GMT
Probably the most enjoyable game of football this season - I'm not sure what Matt could have done differently. He addressed many complaints by leaving a player up (Tommy) at set pieces, although we were still sh*t at defending them. Ignore the last minute breakaway goal, and concentrate on hitting the post and having a penalty shout turned done. See Jamie Collins having a go at Julian for his poor gamesmanship and see Harry Beautyman in tears and apologising to the fans at the end. This team have not lost their passion for playing for Sutton United and I don't believe that the manager has lost the dressing room.
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Post by Nick the Greek/The Speshul One on Oct 22, 2019 22:25:50 GMT
Probably the most enjoyable game of football this season - I'm not sure what Matt could have done differently. He addressed many complaints by leaving a player up (Tommy) at set pieces, although we were still sh*t at defending them. Ignore the last minute breakaway goal, and concentrate on hitting the post and having a penalty shout turned done. See Jamie Collins having a go at Julian for his poor gamesmanship and see Harry Beautyman in tears and apologising to the fans at the end. This team have not lost their passion for playing for Sutton United and I don't believe that the manager has lost the dressing room. Tommy was nearer our goal line than the half way line for most of not all set pieces for them, he was not left up. I believe the players have the passion and the ability. I don’t believe Matt Gray does. Managers are a hugely important part of a team, you can have the best people but if poorly managed they under perform as a team and that is what I believe we are seeing.
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Post by Del on Oct 22, 2019 22:49:03 GMT
I would say they were a little better than average on their own sloping pitch. Also parts of the pitch were a lottery to play on.
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Post by timbo on Oct 23, 2019 0:02:01 GMT
It is my feeling the players are behind Matt, however, I am not convinced that his squad has enough players of quality, with creative spark, pace, strength, determination, skill and leadership to succeed? It takes time for a squad to gel but Matt has assembled them so bears a good bit of the responsibility IF the group is inadequate for purpose
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Post by guildrover on Oct 23, 2019 0:41:10 GMT
I wasn't there so can't comment on the match but it does heap a load more pressure on Matt.
I too worry that we lack strength in depth but I guess that is due to the budget.
It is a strange one as our best XI IS good enough IMO to be a decent mid table team in the National as they showed against Hartlepool, Chesterfield and Boreham Wood. The players are putting in the effort but it is a worry when we can't seem to defend a lead or get back into a game once we are behind.
I have no doubt Matt has an eye for a decent player and is a good coach but I have a feeling we have ourselves another Ian Hazel rather than another Paul Doswell.
Saturday isn't a must win game in terms of our season but it certainly is a must win game now personally for Matt and his fledgling managerial career.
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Post by mca on Oct 23, 2019 5:40:24 GMT
I think Andys point about the costs involved with sacking a management team are right. I'm sure a deal would be struck but even that could prove to be too much and maybe we can only afford to stick? Personally i think Saturday is must win. In terms of stroke index it's the eaisiest game of the season, and is suggest Fylde, Chesterfield and Wrexham have more ability to spend their way out of trouble, so we can't be dropping home points V the few teams below us
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Post by Del on Oct 23, 2019 6:35:43 GMT
Hold on a minute. Ebbsfleet just beat Woking away and have been bringing in some loan players. Don't expect them to be an easy touch !
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Post by baboonfish on Oct 23, 2019 7:23:04 GMT
Hold on a minute. Ebbsfleet just beat Woking away and have been bringing in some loan players. Don't expect them to be an easy touch ! So why haven't we brought in any Del? Question for Matt obviously,but we've just lost our best player and have no right back and we are averaging well below a goal a game in the past 10 (almost bang on a goal a game this season), so clearly a striker and right back are needed urgently. Absolutely fair point that Ebbsfleet will NOT offer anything other than another tough opponent but we have to find a way
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