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Post by halftimet on Sept 28, 2019 19:38:51 GMT
14 league games in and we can start to assess our position. Cannot blame everything on bad luck or injury. We need to change something.
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Post by skillspaybills on Sept 28, 2019 20:26:18 GMT
We were always destined for a tough transition but this is getting a tad worrying now. We've got a good squad with plenty of experience which is good but even experienced sides have struggled with relegation scraps. Be interested to know the form guide for this calender year. I remember we had it hard towards the back end of last season. Regarding the manager I've only seen one game,Are we seeing the team play with an identity?. Ok we are losing games but are we making positive steps in our play?. Calendar 2019 P36 / W9 / D10 / L17 Thanks mate!. |
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Post by localboy86 on Sept 28, 2019 20:30:24 GMT
The doom-mongers are surfacing and people seem to be fretting already - come on there’s 7 months of the season to run 🙄.
I was there at Harrogate today and 2-0 flattered them I have to say - they look a much more ordinary outfit than last season (not sure if they’ve lost some players 🤔). I felt Jarvis was fouled before a breakaway lead to their first goal, we missed a penalty before their keeper Belshaw produced a great save from a Randall free-kick. I didn’t think we played too bad today - just not getting the rub of the green.
Onto next week and Stockport who lost 4-0 today and have now been beaten in their last five.
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Post by skillspaybills on Sept 28, 2019 21:16:26 GMT
14 league games in and we can start to assess our position. Cannot blame everything on bad luck or injury. We need to change something. What would you change?. I noticed Matt mentions players aren't training but can imagine that's the same for quite a few sides at this level. I liked what I saw of David A on the wing vs Wrexham but it sounds like he still quite raw. With time he could become a real find but we really are finding goals hard to come by bar the Chesterfield rout. I see Dundo comes off the bench a fair bit which i never would've imagined this time last season. Hopefully get three points against Stockport and get a bit of consistency otherwise the doom-mongers really will be rearing their heads.. |
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Post by medwaysider on Sept 28, 2019 22:00:22 GMT
The doom-mongers are surfacing and people seem to be fretting already - come on there’s 7 months of the season to run 🙄. I was there at Harrogate today and 2-0 flattered them I have to say - they look a much more ordinary outfit than last season (not sure if they’ve lost some players 🤔). I felt Jarvis was fouled before a breakaway lead to their first goal, we missed a penalty before their keeper Belshaw produced a great save from a Randall free-kick. I didn’t think we played too bad today - just not getting the rub of the green. Onto next week and Stockport who lost 4-0 today and have now been beaten in their last five. I thought the challenge leading to their first goal was a fair (but robust) shoulder charge to be honest with you but we all see things differently. I agree that 2-0 flattered them. They deserved to win but only by the one goal. I liked the ground. First time I've been there and it had a lot of character. Very nice food as well. The beef and pork pie with gravy and mushy peas slid down a treat. |
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Post by os on Sept 28, 2019 23:01:44 GMT
I am not sure anyone should be getting on the managers back, I think I wrote something like 'if the season doesn't start well, the last thing we and he needs is for the moaners to get out of their boxes' Totally counter productive and really unfair on Matt, remember he also has a very experienced set of assistants.
Having said you can only go on what the table says after 14 matches, and this is not good reading thus far. Plenty of time to turn it around, but honesty is the best policy and excuses don't bring points.
Today U's should certainly of come away with a point and in all honesty all 3. We were well it, even had the ball in the net before suicidal defending from our own corner gifted them the lead. Then after fighting back we miss a penalty, countless opportunities to ask serious questions of the Harrogate back 4 wasted with poor passes and poor decisions from individual players. I actually think Matt got the match tactics spot on.
A lot of supporters don't believe we can do well after Dos, a lot already have their doom mongering speeches ready - But what we need is a bit of positively and support for Matt and the players -
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Post by scorpioeyes on Sept 29, 2019 9:13:28 GMT
We have a manager who is clearly out of his depth and, as I predicted at the start of the season, we face a long battle against the drop. You don't have to watch it. Go and 'support' another team. Stating a fact is not 'slagging off' but thanks for your advice anyway. |
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Post by johnnie1 on Sept 29, 2019 11:30:46 GMT
We were pretty poor yesterday against a poor side, and people have every right to be concerned.
Let's not panic though. I think we all knew this season wasn't realistically going to be a promotion battle with the budget cut and the team in transition, and we're still 3 points above the drop zone. We're only 3 points off being in the top half!
I don't think you can call a manager 'out of their depth' after their first 14 games in charge. Sometimes I feel he gets things wrong, absolutely (I'm a big fan of Kearney for example), but he's also made a lot of good calls.
Let's just stick behind what is a young team, one that needs a bit of a boost, and see where we are by Christmas, Easter, the end of the season.
I'd be panicking if we were in Wimbledon's position, 3 points from the opening 11 games and a manager under investigation for betting offences. Not after a couple of bad performances and results.
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Post by amberchoc on Sept 29, 2019 12:31:23 GMT
We were pretty poor yesterday against a poor side, and people have every right to be concerned. Let's not panic though. I think we all knew this season wasn't realistically going to be a promotion battle with the budget cut and the team in transition, and we're still 3 points above the drop zone. We're only 3 points off being in the top half! I don't think you can call a manager 'out of their depth' after their first 14 games in charge. Sometimes I feel he gets things wrong, absolutely (I'm a big fan of Kearney for example), but he's also made a lot of good calls. Let's just stick behind what is a young team, one that needs a bit of a boost, and see where we are by Christmas, Easter, the end of the season. I'd be panicking if we were in Wimbledon's position, 3 points from the opening 11 games and a manager under investigation for betting offences. Not after a couple of bad performances and results. We're actually only one point above the drop zone, not three, but I agree with your sentiments. Now‘s the time for everyone to really get behind the boys. It's looking like it could be a very tight division this season and a couple of wins will see us fly up the league. |
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Post by Andy K on Sept 29, 2019 12:56:22 GMT
You don't have to watch it. Go and 'support' another team. Stating a fact is not 'slagging off' but thanks for your advice anyway. You're not stating a fact though. It's your opinion. A fact is we have an inexperienced manager working with a smaller budget than last year. If anyone had any expectations that we were going to walk the league then they are the ones in error. We're not doing great but I'd be more concerned if I were a AFC Fylde supporter or a Chesterfield one. They're hugely underperforming. As for yesterday. Again there were moments when we looked very impressive (especially after their first goal) but it wasn't to be. Remember we did get the ball in the next (no idea about if it was offside as I couldn't tell from the angle I saw it from) and a very rare missed pen from Collins (which I think is the 2nd he's missed for us in 4 seasons). It's an away defeat at a place that isn't easy to get points at. |
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Post by billy on Sept 29, 2019 14:39:21 GMT
I tell you who was out of his depth - the Harrogate left back and it's a shame we didn't repeatedly target him in the way that Ajiboye did at the start of the game because he was slow, had terrible positioning skills and couldn't head the ball particularly well. I thought it was just a matter of time before he cost them a goal or two but we didn't prey on his vulnerability enough for the rest of the game. Overall can't really argue with the result (and they taught us how to take a penalty) but I wouldn't be too despondent. Does Collins need lessons on penalty taking ? How many has he missed over the last few years ? |
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Post by halftimet on Sept 29, 2019 15:33:12 GMT
Stating a fact is not 'slagging off' but thanks for your advice anyway. You're not stating a fact though. It's your opinion. A fact is we have an inexperienced manager working with a smaller budget than last year. If anyone had any expectations that we were going to walk the league then they are the ones in error. We're not doing great but I'd be more concerned if I were a AFC Fylde supporter or a Chesterfield one. They're hugely underperforming. As for yesterday. Again there were moments when we looked very impressive (especially after their first goal) but it wasn't to be. Remember we did get the ball in the next (no idea about if it was offside as I couldn't tell from the angle I saw it from) and a very rare missed pen from Collins (which I think is the 2nd he's missed for us in 4 seasons). It's an away defeat at a place that isn't easy to get points at. The big difference between Fylde, Chesterfield and clubs around us like Wrexham is the ability to make wholesale changes to personnel. Thankfully it looks as though some clubs like Aldershot and Ebsfleet are in the same boat as us. |
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Post by mca on Sept 29, 2019 16:04:43 GMT
Also, being happy we're not Wimbledon, or Flyde, or Wrexham or anyone who isn't Sutton doesn't make any difference to our position.
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Post by markf on Sept 29, 2019 18:58:23 GMT
My God. John Laurie's Dad's Army character is alive and well on here in multiples too. Not just here either reading certain twitter feeds. Opinion becomes fact, a guy who turns up once in a blue moon to a match suggests Jamie Collins needs advice on taking penalties having missed his first since February 2017, a record I suspect, that most would be proud of. On each occasion he hit the target and was thwarted by a decent save. Or was this just another wind up comment from a guy who seems to get some perverse enjoyment out of using an internet forum for such purposes?
Then there is the "manager is out of his depth" comment. Really? Fourteen matches into his first such position. Christ, there would be a lot of people out of work if such an assesment was made so quickly in other walks of life.
George T-F is considered not to have been given enough opportunity. Read this - the guy was/is not good enough for the NL. He tried bloody hard, effort could not be faulted but he wasn't/isn't strong enough for the NL as was shown at Aldershot where he was repeatedly robbed of the ball by a stronger opponent. Wherever he ends up I hope it as a level where he can thrive because he has a big heart, a bit of pace too. Kyel Reid's arrival will have accelerated George's departure too.
Dylan Kearney another great lad whose work rate cannot be faulted but scoring three goals against SCR in a pre-season friendly isn't a pedigree for automatic selection in the NL. A majority of us don't watch every training session so we don't know how these guys are progressing - the management does.
Get off Matt's back or is #we're in it together in the exclusive ownership of a previous manager?
So to yesterday. Harrogate's ground, improved by two decent new covered areas, was sparsley populated compared to last season's opener. Perhaps watching a blur of cyclists riding around was too great a pull or maybe the hiking of entrance fees by £3 has had a n adverse effect?
The match itself wasn't of the greatest quality with both sides not taking care of the ball at times. Harrogate used the long ball tactic with the big fella up front and missing their influential captain Falkingham. When they did spread the passes around thet did it well. U's also tried to play football but poor decision making in the last third saw numerous openings come to nothing.
I an not convinced it was a foul on Aaron J (might have been in the PL) that led to the punt down the slope that saw their guy race away to net the first. Skip had one chalked for offside which appeared correct. Second half, of course, Skip saw his spot kick saved; while it wasn't his best strike of the ball it was a decent save down to the 'keepers left and Belshaw followed that up with a more impressive if similar stop from Will R's well hit free-kick. The second goal came when their guy made the most of Jamie B's attempt to thwart him on a one on one. All it meant was we lost 2-0 instead of 1-0.
MotM for U's was Will R who was full of running amd it was his pass that led to Aaron J being brought down for the pen. I don't think U's were as bad as some on here have stated but no, we weren't at our best either. The introduction of Tommy W and later Kyel R gave some impetus but Harrogate just about held with some decent defending and on the basis that they scored and U's didn't, deserved the victory.
Ref was pretty lenient throughout. Not booking Jon B for a nailed on yellow card challenge, booking their guy for felling Aaron then not booking Jamie B for his challenge. All a bit odd and he let a fair amount from both sides go, wrestling being allowed on numerous occasions. At least it wasn't constant whistle though.
Not the result we wanted obviously but with Matt G limited by his options because certain players couldn't be risked to start while others remain unavailable because of injury we must hope those situations change for the visit of struggling Stockport who have been hit by their own injury crisis and have suffered heavily as a result.
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Post by billy on Sept 29, 2019 19:09:56 GMT
I think you misunderstood my comment Mark ! I thought it bizarre that the poster i quoted was telling us that they taught us how to take a penalty.
Collins has an almost unblemished record so hardly needs teaching.
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