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Post by Amber Aleman on Feb 14, 2021 11:50:50 GMT
Why the hell would he do that? We want to win the game and if possible win the game well. Billericay drew 2-2 with St Albans and they fielded an U23 side. No guarantees in football and you certainly don't want to take a gamble when you're sittind 2nd in the league. He might want to give some of our regular players a rest. Even allowing for the break last Tuesday it's been a relentless few weeks, and as things stand the team is due to play most Tuesdays and Saturdays through to Easter. If it were known that Dover were sending a team of youth players this Tuesday, Matt could give starts to Simpson, Margetson, Wyatt, Browne and Sho-Silva and still be fairly confident of us winning the game. We wait to see what actually happens. |
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Post by halftimet on Feb 14, 2021 12:15:36 GMT
Leeds and FA cup 2018 springs to mind
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Post by cheshire on Feb 14, 2021 12:25:11 GMT
Clearly there's a big difference between freshening things up/giving squad players some game time and playing a reserve XI. You can still have your "big hitters" available to come off the bench cant you?
As has been said, no player can be expected to play 90 minutes twice a week and maintain peak performance, remain uninjured and give 10/10 every time. We're not Man City but an element of squad rotation can still be a part of the thinking
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Post by Del on Feb 14, 2021 12:49:25 GMT
Do Dover actually have a youth team ? If they do they probably haven't played any football for a while.
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Post by amberchoc on Feb 14, 2021 15:37:54 GMT
I've not come across any indication that Dover intend to play non-contract or loan players. It may be that they’re just going to decline to fulfil the fixture and accept whatever punishment is dished out to them. If it turns out that their results are expunged, Torquay will lose the three points they gained from Dover in October.
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Post by garethl on Feb 14, 2021 15:45:14 GMT
Think their statement pretty clear isn’t it? They’ll not be playing until appropriate funding in place.
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Post by jr on Feb 14, 2021 18:22:39 GMT
If there ends up being no relegation I wonder if that opens the door for Bury to join the NL as the league will still be a team short!
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Post by Andy K on Feb 14, 2021 21:26:31 GMT
The more I think about it, the more I think the Dover chairman is testing the league. 5 days ago he was on their board so knows very well how they work. He's put his entire staff on furlough which of course is fine, but refusing to play means no income at all for the club. This will include May after the furlough scheme is finished. So by taking the action he is taking he is actually putting the club more at risk. He's taking one hell of a gamble on what is looking more and more like a season with no relegation.
He's made no secret that he wants to sell at least a share of the club, and this action isn't going to bring forward any investors.
Get players in who will play for nothing (like other clubs are doing), get spanked but keep your club as a going concern. If I was a Dover fan I'd be spitting feathers and it's another reminder, as if we needed one, about how well our club is run.
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Post by os on Feb 14, 2021 21:33:54 GMT
Jim Parmenter has been on the radio here in Kent quite a lot over the past week or so, unless I misunderstand, he has stated that Dover will not play another match until funding is in place. Staff and Players are furloughed, and I think that includes the match secretary. I am guessing that means no match preparations between the 2 clubs. And that means our club has to contact the league officially tomorrow to state it has been unable to setup the fixture. That then puts the matter in the leagues hands - I THINK?
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Post by markf on Feb 14, 2021 22:16:04 GMT
He pays the match sec? Christ, no wonder the money has dried up. Don't tell Starnsy!
As for the fans spitting feathers AndyK, those on their forum are right behind him and they tend to represent the core of the fanbase at most clubs.
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Post by Amber Aleman on Feb 14, 2021 23:02:24 GMT
The risk that Parmenter is taking is that if NL clubs vote to continue the season, and Dover still refuse to fulfil fixtures, then the club would be expelled from the league.
I'm sure he realises that. He would be aware of rights of appeal. He might even be prepared to take the matter to court if necessary, with the defence that his club has 'just cause' for its stance.
Perhaps a more likely calculation is that other NL clubs will follow Dover's lead. We can probably all think of a few candidates. If a group of clubs refuses to fulfil fixtures then the league would be plunged into an even deeper crisis.
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Post by Andy K on Feb 15, 2021 11:02:09 GMT
He pays the match sec? Christ, no wonder the money has dried up. Don't tell Starnsy! As for the fans spitting feathers AndyK, those on their forum are right behind him and they tend to represent the core of the fanbase at most clubs. It seems they are, but then pretty much all of them have already accepted expulsion too. I suppose they are thinking "better to have a club playing lower than not have a club at all". I still think by taking this action there's no certainty of that either. Interesting thing to note too that if they are removed from the league and points are taken away, Torquay may lose out, but Notts County won't. They lost to Dover on the opening day, and Dover have also beaten Eastleigh and Barnet. BW will lose 1 point as that was the only other place Dover didn't lose If the points were taken away at this point we'd see the following Torquay P 21 Pts 41 Sutton P 19 Pts 37 Hartlepool P 20 Pts 36 Stockport P 19 Pts 32 Notts C P 17 Pts 33 Altrincham P 18 Pts 30 Wrexham P 20 Pts 29 Eastleigh P19 Pts 31 Boreham Wood P19 Pts 29 But I can't see them being expelled any time soon to be honest. A points deduction and fines first perhaps. |
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Post by tonyd on Feb 15, 2021 12:14:57 GMT
I have a lot of sympathy for Dover, I don’t know of other businesses that are sanctioned for not carrying on even when they have no income. I’m sure a number of shops and pubs will go out of business but they won’t receive additional fines for doing so. Under these extreme circumstances the Leagues should be a lot more flexible. If a club decides to sit out the season they should be allowed to do so. The fact that Torquay would lose 6 points doesn’t come into it. 😏
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Post by kpinwp on Feb 15, 2021 12:53:01 GMT
Presumably, though, as Parmenter feels justified in taking this course of action (backed by the Dover fans) due to unique (sic) financial pressure, then Dover would refuse to pay any fine levied against them. And a points deduction is, more or less, meaningless.
So, while I see that that might be the League's preferred first course of action, ulitimately it wlll have to be removal from the league and results expunged. Unless the League does nothing, which I'm not sure is a tenable position for them as it potentially opens the door to all clubs making unilateral decisions to what they will and won't do (or play) for the rest of this season. That's not a precedent the League will want to set. Not even for half a season.
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Post by sol on Feb 15, 2021 12:56:57 GMT
Can anyone shed some light 💡 on when we will have the decision of this vote 🗳?
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