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Post by Stewart on Feb 13, 2021 22:55:23 GMT
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Post by Andy K on Feb 13, 2021 23:08:11 GMT
The question is now what do the league do with Dover? They seem to be taking action against teams in the south who are refusing to play but this will be the first case of this in our division. |
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Post by os on Feb 13, 2021 23:28:16 GMT
8.39 Where a match has been postponed for any reason, the two Clubs concerned must agree within
seven (7) days of the postponement a
new date (which shall, save in exceptional circumstances, be within 42 days of the original date) and in
default the Board is empowered to order Clubs to play on a date it considers suitable. The Competition
Secretary shall determine the new date.
Any Club without just cause failing to fulfil an engagement to play a Competition match on the appointed
date shall for each offence be liable to expulsion from the Competition and/ or such other disciplinary
action the Board may determine, including the deduction of up to a maximum of three points from the
offending Club’s record, any expenses incurred by their opponents, and a fine.
In the event of a Club being in breach of the previous paragraph of this Rule then the Board may award
points to the Club not at fault as if the match had been played and the League table shall reflect the
position as if the match had been played with the result awarded by the Board
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Post by markf on Feb 13, 2021 23:55:33 GMT
I don't profess to know how much it costs per month to run a football club at nl level but if Dover has already spent the £258k then I would suggest looking at their results this season they ain't be getting value for money. Especially when they got rid of a number of players back in September.
Their chairman has made some valid points about the NL board since resigning from it but note he resigned from it so as a collective was he not part of it?
I understand he has to consider the long term future of the club not just the next few months.
That said, I can't help but look at Dover's almost hopeless league position and raise an eyebrow about their current stance.
However, I just wonder if this will be an isolated case in the top flight or the one that starts the ball rolling?
One lesson is that what appears to be mainly relying on one person to finance a football club at this level or indeed any, is unlikely to be the best business model, unless you are a Mr Abramovich type of course.
I just hope the Dover fans have a club at the end of all this and preferably playing at a level that befits their status in non league football.
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Post by oohaah on Feb 14, 2021 7:42:29 GMT
If Dover go ahead with this I see the league as having no option but to expell them and to expunge all their previous results.
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Post by jr on Feb 14, 2021 7:48:34 GMT
I don't profess to know how much it costs per month to run a football club at nl level but if Dover has already spent the £258k then I would suggest looking at their results this season they ain't be getting value for money. Especially when they got rid of a number of players back in September. Their chairman has made some valid points about the NL board since resigning from it but note he resigned from it so as a collective was he not part of it? I understand he has to consider the long term future of the club not just the next few months. That said, I can't help but look at Dover's almost hopeless league position and raise an eyebrow about their current stance. However, I just wonder if this will be an isolated case in the top flight or the one that starts the ball rolling? One lesson is that what appears to be mainly relying on one person to finance a football club at this level or indeed any, is unlikely to be the best business model, unless you are a Mr Abramovich type of course. I just hope the Dover fans have a club at the end of all this and preferably playing at a level that befits their status in non league football. Don't forget the £58k they got up front at the start of the season, the £15-£20k they got from streaming the Notts County game, small revenue from the FA Cup and FA Trophy, live TV revenue and a small income from other streamed home games (although there haven't been many). I suspect that there may be more to this than we know |
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Post by garethl on Feb 14, 2021 8:22:59 GMT
They would have done rather well out of the 3 month grant too given their crowds have dwindled. It’s an odd one. Some valid points made. But he has been bankrolling them singlehandedly for many seasons. He has clearly been withdrawing that level investment in recent seasons (at one point he was investing to look to get into football league). He could easily bankroll this short period in the next couple of months but is choosing not to and applying some pressure on the league and authorities. See below re. his investments and threats of withdrawing personal expenditure some time back. £3m quoted as being put in back then and I think likely has been putting less into the budget in more recent seasons. I actually think there are probably other clubs without a money man in a far worse state and with much more of a case. Convenient for him to draw a line under the season and essentially get away with cutting squad quality in the summer. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35708268www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/sport/dover-chief-vows-to-walk-91895/ |
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Post by markf on Feb 14, 2021 8:34:17 GMT
Should the north and south divisions not complete in any form, which, at the moment seems a good possibility, then there will be no relegation from the NL top division.
With no danger of demotion, Dover could carry on with a scratch team but would incur other costs, travel being the biggest outlay.
Is he testing the system as well as trying to safeguard the club?
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Post by garethl on Feb 14, 2021 8:47:11 GMT
That is my take. I guess there is an argument that it is also a bit farcical having a non team for half the season but not something that is without historical precedent (and they’ve been so bad this impact is much reduced). Plenty of sides have slashed budgets halfway through the season before.
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Post by sol on Feb 14, 2021 8:55:22 GMT
Should the north and south divisions not complete in any form, which, at the moment seems a good possibility, then there will be no relegation from the NL top division. With no danger of demotion, Dover could carry on with a scratch team but would incur other costs, travel being the biggest outlay. Is he testing the system as well as trying to safeguard the club? Very much so MARK. You’ve hit it on the nail - he’s testing the NL board and keeping his club from getting into a financial pickle. If the NLN/S don’t continue Dover might be back with their kids for the remainder of the season. |
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Post by Amber Aleman on Feb 14, 2021 9:04:28 GMT
Maidstone United (NL South) have also placed their contracted players back on furlough, but have added that if required to fulfil fixtures they will field teams of non-contract and loan players.
We can expect other clubs to follow suit.
Should Dover decide to do that for Tuesday's game then Matt Gray has the option of giving some of our fringe players a start (rather as has been done for Surrey Senior Cup ties in recent seasons).
I imagine there will have been urgent conversations taking place this weekend.
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Post by Andy K on Feb 14, 2021 9:05:32 GMT
Should the north and south divisions not complete in any form, which, at the moment seems a good possibility, then there will be no relegation from the NL top division. With no danger of demotion, Dover could carry on with a scratch team but would incur other costs, travel being the biggest outlay. Is he testing the system as well as trying to safeguard the club? I think they may have reached the threshold already. 22 clubs out of N and S have to vote for the league to be null and void and it looks like it will be. By my very scratchy maths it 5 or 6 clubs in the NL to say no to resolution 1 for it not to pass and therefore the N and S will carry on. I do get a feeling that Dover are throwing toys out of the pram more than anything else here. Other clubs e.g. Tonbridge have furloughed all staff but are fielding youth players etc. |
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Post by pinewalker on Feb 14, 2021 11:16:14 GMT
I doubt they will show up on Tuesday. If the kit is locked away, 3 loanees have reported back to their parent clubs and the question of whether they are still covered by insurance is addressed, then none of their remaining players is likely to travel.
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Post by jr on Feb 14, 2021 11:22:38 GMT
Maidstone United (NL South) have also placed their contracted players back on furlough, but have added that if required to fulfil fixtures they will field teams of non-contract and loan players. We can expect other clubs to follow suit. Should Dover decide to do that for Tuesday's game then Matt Gray has the option of giving some of our fringe players a start (rather as has been done for Surrey Senior Cup ties in recent seasons). I imagine there will have been urgent conversations taking place this weekend. Why the hell would he do that? We want to win the game and if possible win the game well. Billericay drew 2-2 with St Albans and they fielded an U23 side. No guarantees in football and you certainly don't want to take a gamble when you're sittind 2nd in the league. |
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Post by trev on Feb 14, 2021 11:45:37 GMT
Maidstone United (NL South) have also placed their contracted players back on furlough, but have added that if required to fulfil fixtures they will field teams of non-contract and loan players. We can expect other clubs to follow suit. Should Dover decide to do that for Tuesday's game then Matt Gray has the option of giving some of our fringe players a start (rather as has been done for Surrey Senior Cup ties in recent seasons). I imagine there will have been urgent conversations taking place this weekend. Why the hell would he do that? We want to win the game and if possible win the game well. Billericay drew 2-2 with St Albans and they fielded an U23 side. No guarantees in football and you certainly don't want to take a gamble when you're sittind 2nd in the league. I agree. League leaders Torquay have a +22 goal difference and ours is currently +15. With our 3 games in hand, Tuesday night marks a golden opportunity to cut into Torquay's lead on points and goal difference. Just because Dover have chosen to throw in the towel does not give us a valid reason to capitulate. Carpe diem. |
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