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Post by Andy K on Mar 10, 2021 22:54:55 GMT
I would not worry too much, because I think we would relocate too some where were we can still have our community hub and training sessions. Yes it is annoying that the football league want allow these pitches at the moment, but that is the rules. Dose not make it right. If Kingsmeadoww is still usable AFC Wimbledon have gone so that maybe a possibility? I think the answer is no. We won't be in a position to groundshare "at will". Groundshares can only take place I believe whilst works are happening at the home ground e.g what happened with Harrogate at Doncaster or AFC Wimbledon at QPR. League rules won't allow groundshares if works are not being done and certainly not without an end date. |
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Post by tonyd on Mar 11, 2021 0:26:16 GMT
Unlikely that Chelsea would let anyone use Kingsmeadow, they couldn’t get rid of AFC Dons quick enough.
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Post by VCLXI on Mar 11, 2021 0:26:47 GMT
I think the original Wimbledon ground shared with Crystal Palace for a number of years. Charlton also. I also remember Charlton spending a season playing at Upton Park. Fulham for a couple of seasons at Loftus Road. But that was when they were first promoted to the Premier League and Craven Cottage needed an upgrade.
The Valley was empty for years, Plough Lane was knocked down also when Wimbledon were homeless and no end in sight of when any works were going on. Obviously this happened nearly thirty years ago so maybe rules have changed.
Sutton may have an argument that we have to do building works to get the ground up to EFL standards plus the pitch issue, but to groundshare? Not sure. Palace maybe but blimey, 3000 people in a near 30000 capacity stadium? Not really. Mind you, Wimbledon managed it for long enough.
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Post by Amber Aleman on Mar 11, 2021 6:40:44 GMT
If we end up ground-sharing temporarily with AFC Wimbledon, that would suit me down to the ground. AFC's new stadium is 15 minutes' walk from my front door.
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Post by oohaah on Mar 11, 2021 7:22:39 GMT
What the league really need to do now is to sort out the Dover situation regarding the games they played so each team knows the number of games that they have played & any points that will be deducted if they have already beaten Dover. (If that makes sense ). Absolutely delboy. It's about time we, and all the other clubs around us (sorry, below us), knew exactly what they have to do. |
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Post by halftimet on Mar 11, 2021 8:10:28 GMT
I must admit that whatever excitement I'm feeling at the moment is tinged with some concern about what next season could potentially bring. Promotion to the Football League was always going to bring loss of revenue and increased cost due to the need to tear up the plastic pitch and lay a new grass pitch. To potentially be faced with that on the back of a season with virtually no income is a frightening prospect. I'm sure those that run the club are planning for that possibility. I have been told that the club do have a contingency plan which will be enacted on 1st April if we are top of the league. All season ticket holders and supporters club members will receive a packet of grass seed and will be asked to cultivate 1sq metre of grass each. Supporters will be able to grow more if they wish. All contributions will be laid during the close season so the pitch is ready for the EFL start. All contributors will receive a free 3G doormat. |
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Post by garethl on Mar 11, 2021 8:51:49 GMT
What the league really need to do now is to sort out the Dover situation regarding the games they played so each team knows the number of games that they have played & any points that will be deducted if they have already beaten Dover. (If that makes sense ). Absolutely delboy. It's about time we, and all the other clubs around us (sorry, below us), knew exactly what they have to do. I think we can be fairly certain they will null and void their results. There isn’t really a fair alternative. |
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Post by foxtrot on Mar 11, 2021 9:21:11 GMT
Rip out 3G and you rip out the heart of this club. It's not of the club's choosing but it's being forgotten by everyone who is getting carried away by the team's excellent performance.
Take a long hard look at GGL. I bet the EFL teams 'can't wait' to come here. Last time we got this close, aside from the pitch and a few tweaks , we got EFL grading for the first year but it's going to need serious investment after that.
I love GGL but it is Never going to be suitable for EFL.
Football league would be a great experience but be very mindful of what you would be losing. We would have to cease being a football CLUB and become a football business like all the other EFL clubs, fine , if that's what everyone wants but it doesn't come without cost.
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Post by baboonfish on Mar 11, 2021 10:23:57 GMT
Rip out 3G and you rip out the heart of this club. It's not of the club's choosing but it's being forgotten by everyone who is getting carried away by the team's excellent performance. Take a long hard look at GGL. I bet the EFL teams 'can't wait' to come here. Last time we got this close, aside from the pitch and a few tweaks , we got EFL grading for the first year but it's going to need serious investment after that. I love GGL but it is Never going to be suitable for EFL. Football league would be a great experience but be very mindful of what you would be losing. We would have to cease being a football CLUB and become a football business like all the other EFL clubs, fine , if that's what everyone wants but it doesn't come without cost. Indeed. This is a conversation which will come to dominate if we keep pushing at the top of the table. But we've only just passed the half way mark and ex league teams such as Wrexham, torquay, chesterfield and notts County will fancy their chances. For many of us, a wembley play off defeat would be the best outcome, but should we win promotion then, unless the FL suddenly come to their senses, we will be looking at one of several unpleasant choices. I can't see many that don't involve ground sharing for at least half a season, maybe longer. Wimbledon or woking. I could forsee a scenario where we groundshared with Wimbledon permanently while in the football league and afcw trained on our 3g etc, but that's just an idea. |
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Post by jr on Mar 11, 2021 10:51:28 GMT
Rip out 3G and you rip out the heart of this club. It's not of the club's choosing but it's being forgotten by everyone who is getting carried away by the team's excellent performance. Take a long hard look at GGL. I bet the EFL teams 'can't wait' to come here. Last time we got this close, aside from the pitch and a few tweaks , we got EFL grading for the first year but it's going to need serious investment after that. I love GGL but it is Never going to be suitable for EFL. Football league would be a great experience but be very mindful of what you would be losing. We would have to cease being a football CLUB and become a football business like all the other EFL clubs, fine , if that's what everyone wants but it doesn't come without cost. Indeed. This is a conversation which will come to dominate if we keep pushing at the top of the table. But we've only just passed the half way mark and ex league teams such as Wrexham, torquay, chesterfield and notts County will fancy their chances. For many of us, a wembley play off defeat would be the best outcome, but should we win promotion then, unless the FL suddenly come to their senses, we will be looking at one of several unpleasant choices. I can't see many that don't involve ground sharing for at least half a season, maybe longer. Wimbledon or woking. I could forsee a scenario where we groundshared with Wimbledon permanently while in the football league and afcw trained on our 3g etc, but that's just an idea. Not allowed I'm afraid. If we did go up we could only groundshare until the pitch is ready (like Harrogate did at Doncaster). The obvious grounds would be Wimbledon (but i believe the London Broncos may be playing there too) or Crawley (that'll please Dave F!) |
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Post by Andy K on Mar 11, 2021 10:52:39 GMT
I think the main point has been missed here regarding groundshares. In the EFL (and actually I would expect at this level and beyond), you groundshare because either you don't have a ground of your own e.g. the owners have sold it and have not build a new one yet, or you are having to work on your ground for it to be up to standard. Anyone who thinks we can just "go and share with AFC Wimbledon" because it's convenient to us is simply wrong. That's never been the case. All of the example of ground sharing in the league, whether it was Charlton, or Wimbledon, or Fulham or even Harrogate falls into that group. The only exception in modern times is Coventry, and that's a whole other complex story, but that's nothing to do with convenience. Ironically, it was announced yesterday that a deal has been struck for Coventry to return to the Ricoh Arena for next season.
Also where you groundshare in these circumstances isn't simply your choice. It's a negotiation between all parties. So any assumption that we could play at certain venues could well be misguided (although I expect if we were forced into that position on a temporary basis, AFC Wimbledon would probably be more willing to strike a deal due to the relationship between the clubs at board level).
The board have known all of this from 2017/18. None of this is new to them. They know the rules they have to follow, and they know the finances better than any random supporter. They will know exactly what investment is needed to reach EFL grading.
If we are playing at this level, then you have to accept that there is a chance you could go into the league. If you don't accept that, then I'm sorry but you are not accepting football at this level for us.
I repeat what I have said previously. We still have at least 18 games to play. And at the end of the day we're not the decision makers here. We need, as fans, to get behind the club and celebrate the success we currently have. Match by match, week by week. Let's see where we are come the end of May.
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Post by Andy K on Mar 11, 2021 11:03:23 GMT
Rip out 3G and you rip out the heart of this club. It's not of the club's choosing but it's being forgotten by everyone who is getting carried away by the team's excellent performance. Take a long hard look at GGL. I bet the EFL teams 'can't wait' to come here. Last time we got this close, aside from the pitch and a few tweaks , we got EFL grading for the first year but it's going to need serious investment after that. I love GGL but it is Never going to be suitable for EFL. Football league would be a great experience but be very mindful of what you would be losing. We would have to cease being a football CLUB and become a football business like all the other EFL clubs, fine , if that's what everyone wants but it doesn't come without cost. Indeed. This is a conversation which will come to dominate if we keep pushing at the top of the table. But we've only just passed the half way mark and ex league teams such as Wrexham, torquay, chesterfield and notts County will fancy their chances. For many of us, a wembley play off defeat would be the best outcome, but should we win promotion then, unless the FL suddenly come to their senses, we will be looking at one of several unpleasant choices. I can't see many that don't involve ground sharing for at least half a season, maybe longer. Wimbledon or woking. I could forsee a scenario where we groundshared with Wimbledon permanently while in the football league and afcw trained on our 3g etc, but that's just an idea. I don't agree. What should be dominating our conversations should be how in John and Goodliffe we've probably got the best centre back partnership in the league, or with Randall and Ajiboye we're got 2 superb wingers, or with Beautyman and Eastmond we've got 2 midfield players who are are in a different class, or how with our budget we've managed to be the best team in the league so far, or with Matt Gray we've picked the perfect manager for our club at this time. If we can't celebrate our success (which is the one thing every fan wants from their club) because of something that may or may not happen and something that us fans have no control over, then we need to take a look in the mirror at ourselves as a whole. |
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Post by cheshire on Mar 11, 2021 11:36:54 GMT
Phew, keep things in perspective people...I bet the likes of Dover or Barnet would love to have our "problems"!!
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Post by tonyd on Mar 11, 2021 11:47:39 GMT
I have some sympathy for foxtrot’s views. We have to try for promotion, because if we don’t, we’ll go backwards. I will celebrate promotion to the EFL if it comes. But the loss of the 3G and the imposition of EFL regulations will make this a very different club to the one I’ve supported for over 50 years.
Yours,
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Post by kpinwp on Mar 11, 2021 12:47:11 GMT
There can be a (very English) tendancy to see a big opportunity as A Big Problem. Because it brings big changes.
Promotion to the EFL would be problematic. But it's not A Problem. It's an opportunity.
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