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Post by SG on Sept 1, 2021 14:41:38 GMT
Undoubtedly a useful by product of the competition, as was the run out for our squad and the win. But, we are saying that the principle of PL teams buying their way into the competition is wrong, and that it is a preceedent that will facilitate the presence of PL B teams in the lower leagues. So, ultimately not relevant to point that we are making. As I said, it's not a binary situation. We are not doubtling that some good comes to our club from this competition. But we contend that the wider, emerging, picture is not beneficial to us. But here is the misnomer. EFL clubs voted in 2015 to change the format, voted again in 2017 and 2019 to keep the format. There is a planned vote this season whether to keep the format the same. So far there have been 3 votes taken by EFL clubs to have U21 sides in, and each time they've voted in favour of it. Some changed their mind e.g. Grimsby voted for it in 2017 but not in 2019, but that's how the vote went. One can't really assume that the PL are "buying their way into the competition" at all, unless the inference is that FL chairmen are being bought off by PL sides. As has been noted previously on here, we as a L2 side benefitted a lot from being in the competition and who we played last night in a number of ways. If you were Bruce, would you vote against having that income and the opportunity to get fringe players much needed game time on the fear that was suggested in 2016 and still hasn't got any closer to manifesting itself and one which would again need a resolution and a vote from the teams within the EFL to action? If I remember rightly, there was a lot of talk about the Premier League reducing (or even cutting completely) the "solidarity" (LOL) payments they make to the EFL if the EFL clubs didn't agree to the invitation of 16 U21/U23 teams to the competition. In exchange, the prize money for the competition would be doubled, which would then incentivise the teams to field strong lineups and take it seriously. |
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Post by garethl on Sept 1, 2021 14:44:55 GMT
This is the point. The clubs are desperate for cash due to general financial mismanagement of the game. The PL can bung a bit of cash and the clubs will feel obliged to take the cash. Would the clubs be voted in without the cash? 100% no. The club could have played squad players in the comp pre academy teams! Yes, it has been 5 years but it can rear it’s head at any time whilst people get used to the format. I’ll say no more! I think you know this is nonsense. If you honestly think that having a premier league academy side playing 46 games in League Two will bring in lots of revenue for money hungry League Two clubs then you are mistaken. In 5 seasons, must U21 sides don't progress. The concerns in 2016 have not moved anywhere in 5 years, and if it was a genuine attempt to do this, there wouldn't be any need to have them playing in this competition. The incentive stated by you is money money money, and surely with the amount of money and clout the PL already have, they could have achieved this without any need for a EFL Trophy. It's not even a proof of concept. If you think that 5 years isn't enough time to get "used to the idea" then how long is? If you really want to make an issue about a problem that doesn't exist, or about the entry rules of a competition that was decided 5 years before we first took part in it, that's your choice. If the current format meant we got £10k prize money from last night, rather than £2k, then great. Markf perfectly encapsulated my thoughts on the subject and the match. We support our team and we go to as many games as we can. I lied. I will say more. Of course it’s all about money. As I said these clubs wouldn’t be anywhere near what is now OUR competition without it. It’s a step towards it. No one would have thought they’d get near an EFL football cup for leagues 1 and 2 but they have. They did so by offering up cash. As the ‘noise’ lessens with every passing year the idea/concept becomes easier for testing the waters down the line. Time will tell but it won’t be long before Pep is using his press conference to talk about the benefits to the English game (his club) of having a b team in the lower leagues. I obviously have no issue with what you, Mark and no doubt many others are doing. I’m not trying to convert anyone! |
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Post by SG on Sept 1, 2021 14:57:41 GMT
Time will tell but it won’t be long before Pep is using his press conference to talk about the benefits to the English game (his club) of having a b team in the lower leagues. He's already made that point in the past, talking about how Barcelona and Bayern have their B teams playing in the professional leagues below the top flights. I'm taking a pragmatic approach to it this season because it's our first season in the EFL so this is all a bit of a novelty and, let's be honest, we have practically no power as a club new to the league, so I went last night - don't think I'll be able to make the other two. Going forwards, having been in it a year, maybe my stance on going to games will change. If that makes me a bit of a hypocrite, so be it, it's not like football isn't full of them...  |
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Post by kpinwp on Sept 1, 2021 15:03:54 GMT
But I would say that the points you are making are illustrative of the problem. Of course there are many strong incentives for us to take part in this competion, as it's been constructed, and I wouldn't for a moment suggest FL chairman are, literally, being bought off. Although I would say they are being 'tickled' into a position that may ultimately be less good for them. Bruce is clearly in a position where he can hardly off set the immediate, concrete, benefits that you mention against what is only a predictive argument. But I would say, for sure, that if a cup competition can be succesfully constructed inclusive of PL B teams then so can, and will, the lower leagues. The logic behind it would be indentical. It's just a matter of time. Now, it may be that many fans don't mind the idea of playing in a league partly composed of PL acadamy sides. There would be, after all, the same pluses that you've raised in connection with this cup. But, perhaps playing real teams might be more satisfying. Cripes, I don't usually get to argue for the traditionalist's point. It's quite refreshing! I don't think it is identical at all. Playing a PL U21 side in a cup game is very different to having these teams playing 46 games in a season. The return on investment would decrease, the novelty will decrease and you'd literally have to rewrite the constitution of the league for that to happen. It's a false equivalence. Happy for you to quote me or bookmark this, but I tell you now. The constitution of the EFL will not change to accommodate PL academy sides. There is no compelling argument to do this, either financially, morally or structurally. Something will need to have a fundamental change further up the pyramid for this to have any chance of happening. Even the European Super League wouldn't be enough of a change. To be honest, Andy, I sincerely hope that your prediction is right and mine is wrong. |
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Post by nonsuch on Sept 2, 2021 10:09:27 GMT
Still no highlights from the match anywhere?
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Post by brisfitboy on Sept 2, 2021 17:21:10 GMT
Still no highlights from the match anywhere? Even on YouTube since Wednesday morning. |
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Post by brisfitboy on Sept 2, 2021 17:30:20 GMT
Still no highlights from the match anywhere? Even on YouTube since Wednesday morning. Sorry, meant been on YouTube since Wednesday 🤦♂️ |
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Post by nonsuch on Sept 2, 2021 17:54:07 GMT
Even on YouTube since Wednesday morning. Sorry, meant been on YouTube since Wednesday 🤦♂️ do you have a link? my youtube search only returns the interviews... |
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Post by Stewart on Sept 2, 2021 18:35:03 GMT
Sorry, meant been on YouTube since Wednesday 🤦♂️ do you have a link? my youtube search only returns the interviews... You can find them on the Sutton website. |
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Post by jencor on Sept 2, 2021 19:01:03 GMT
do you have a link? my youtube search only returns the interviews... You can find them on the Sutton website. Looks like if you want to see any highlights you have to sign up to iFollow and pay a subscription. I was at the match so no intention of paying for the highlights, would liked to have seen the goals again though, but no worries. I'm out. |
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Post by trev on Sept 2, 2021 19:22:18 GMT
You can find them on the Sutton website. Looks like if you want to see any highlights you have to sign up to iFollow and pay a subscription. I was at the match so no intention of paying for the highlights, would liked to have seen the goals again though, but no worries. I'm out. You're half right. If you want to see highlights you need to register with iFollow, but there is no need to pay a subscription. The match highlights service costs nothing. As I have said before, the only thing you have to pay for is access to live audio/video feeds but that's an optional extra. For the feeds, you can either pay on a game by game basis, or pay a subscription. |
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Post by sufc18 on Sept 2, 2021 19:22:36 GMT
You can find them on the Sutton website. Looks like if you want to see any highlights you have to sign up to iFollow and pay a subscription. I was at the match so no intention of paying for the highlights, would liked to have seen the goals again though, but no worries. I'm out. You don’t need to pay to watch highlights just need to register 👍🏻 Only have to pay for live commentary or live streaming when available. |
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Post by jencor on Sept 2, 2021 19:43:47 GMT
Looks like if you want to see any highlights you have to sign up to iFollow and pay a subscription. I was at the match so no intention of paying for the highlights, would liked to have seen the goals again though, but no worries. I'm out. You don’t need to pay to watch highlights just need to register 👍🏻 Only have to pay for live commentary or live streaming when available. Thanks for the info….I only got as far as seeing the charges, therefore didn’t know that highlights would be free if you just register. Is that mentioned anywhere if not, might be a nice idea to do that. I may have missed it if it has. (Put it down to a senior moment!😊) |
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Post by nonsuch on Sept 2, 2021 19:44:00 GMT
do you have a link? my youtube search only returns the interviews... You can find them on the Sutton website. Thank you! I already had an account with IFollow so it went smoothly. CP U21 looks like a team to be trashed by all group competitors so qualifying will probably decided in the game with Wimbledon - which inspite of the contested competition will have a big audience I’d dare to bet |
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Post by trev on Sept 2, 2021 20:02:58 GMT
You don’t need to pay to watch highlights just need to register 👍🏻 Only have to pay for live commentary or live streaming when available. Thanks for the info….I only got as far as seeing the charges, therefore didn’t know that highlights would be free if you just register. Is that mentioned anywhere if not, might be a nice idea to do that. I may have missed it if it has. (Put it down to a senior moment!😊) It's all there on the subscribe page, reproduced here for ease of reference... www.suttonunited.net/ifollow/subscribe/ |
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