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Post by sallycat on Sept 3, 2021 9:24:58 GMT
(Put it down to a senior moment!😊) Thought you were a Young Person now? |
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Post by halftimet on Sept 3, 2021 10:40:39 GMT
My season ticket clearly states adult but my wife is not convinced about that.
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Post by jencor on Sept 3, 2021 13:02:38 GMT
(Put it down to a senior moment!😊) Thought you were a Young Person now? LOL that made my day!! I’m only a young person between 1430-1700 on Saturdays and 1913-2200 on selected Tuesdays. 😳🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by garethl on Sept 22, 2021 15:25:40 GMT
I think you know this is nonsense. If you honestly think that having a premier league academy side playing 46 games in League Two will bring in lots of revenue for money hungry League Two clubs then you are mistaken. In 5 seasons, must U21 sides don't progress. The concerns in 2016 have not moved anywhere in 5 years, and if it was a genuine attempt to do this, there wouldn't be any need to have them playing in this competition. The incentive stated by you is money money money, and surely with the amount of money and clout the PL already have, they could have achieved this without any need for a EFL Trophy. It's not even a proof of concept. If you think that 5 years isn't enough time to get "used to the idea" then how long is? If you really want to make an issue about a problem that doesn't exist, or about the entry rules of a competition that was decided 5 years before we first took part in it, that's your choice. If the current format meant we got £10k prize money from last night, rather than £2k, then great. Markf perfectly encapsulated my thoughts on the subject and the match. We support our team and we go to as many games as we can. I lied. I will say more. Of course it’s all about money. As I said these clubs wouldn’t be anywhere near what is now OUR competition without it. It’s a step towards it. No one would have thought they’d get near an EFL football cup for leagues 1 and 2 but they have. They did so by offering up cash. As the ‘noise’ lessens with every passing year the idea/concept becomes easier for testing the waters down the line. Time will tell but it won’t be long before Pep is using his press conference to talk about the benefits to the English game (his club) of having a b team in the lower leagues. I obviously have no issue with what you, Mark and no doubt many others are doing. I’m not trying to convert anyone! |
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Post by sallycat on Sept 22, 2021 15:58:10 GMT
Good thread in response to that:
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Post by kpinwp on Sept 22, 2021 19:02:41 GMT
Good thread in response to that: Worthy sentiments. But I am afraid that, ultimately, that is all they will be. Gabriel Sutton states that "If the time comes, we must all fight for the kind of football that represents us.". Fight how, exactly? (Not to mention that he is implicitly acknowledging that such a time might well come). As Stalin put it 'How many divisions does the Pope have?" We all know where the big guns are, and they're not with us. High moral ground is not a weapon.
At the moment those of us who are drawing a slight veil over this competition, due to it's composition, are considered as being less supportive of our team than we, perhaps, should be. But what other tactic would there be?
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Post by paz on Sept 23, 2021 12:19:48 GMT
If anything like this happens it would come at a huge benefit to the big clubs who could bring up even better players and nab more of other teams players in those leagues also. Therefore, if it was to ever come to pass they will need to make sure its a huge benefit to other clubs. I think clubs putting other teams in the pyramid is certainly a luxury for them and thus should be very expensive for them to do. All money generated from those games should go to the genuine league side they play, including TV money. Unless they want to create a new b side from scratch and gain promotion through the pyramid. If they want to buy an extra place in the pyramid then it should be an expense to them.
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Post by sallycat on Sept 23, 2021 14:08:05 GMT
But that's very unfair on whoever loses their place in the EFL as a result of someone muscling in at a level above them - someone who has a lot more money than they do. Having said that, if PL sides can buy league places then where do you draw the line? Surely then other clubs will want to do the same? That would entirely compromise the integrity of the whole football league system. And for every EFL club that has to drop out of the league as a result, that's a National League place lost for another club that has to drop down, which is a place lost for a Step 2 club that has to drop down and so on and so on.
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Post by davep on Sept 23, 2021 14:49:02 GMT
Totally agree with sallycat's comments above. Sadly, the integrity of the entire football league system was compromised when MK Dons joined the league as a Milton Keynes franchise.
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Post by Amber Aleman on Sept 23, 2021 15:35:58 GMT
Yes, integrity of the competition is the issue here. Cards are already stacked heavily in favour of the wealthy Premier League clubs, and allowing them to infiltrate competitions designed for other clubs serves to worsen that imbalance.
What can fans do? Some have already decided on boycotting matches in the Papa John's Trophy, not just as a protest, but as a way of exerting financial pressure. If crowds and consequent revenues dwindle, that might force a rethink.
If you believe that the damage to a competition's integrity is ultimately damaging to participating clubs, perhaps including your own, then you have the motive to take a stand. Each of us will make our own decisions.
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Post by Del on Sept 23, 2021 16:52:43 GMT
It won't happen. If Manchester City were allowed to do it then why not every other club in the Premiership. That is why they have an U23's League.
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Post by kpinwp on Sept 23, 2021 17:05:51 GMT
It won't happen. If Manchester City were allowed to do it then why not every other club in the Premiership. That is why they have an U23's League. If it won't happen then why is Guardiola even thinking, let alone commenting, about it? And yes, it would certainly include most (or all) of the Premiership clubs. From their point of view having thier B teams established within the League structure is far more attractive and dynamic a prospect than a ringfenced U23's League. And yes, it could be made expensive for them to do this, but they still have the money to do it. And we've all seen, since the initial establishment of the Premier League, how the big money holds sway and the teams that have it call the shots. I see the words 'integrity' and 'unfair'. I really am on the side of those sentiments and I would far prefer us to play Hartlepool in L2 than, say, Newcastle B Team. But, I don't think the current structure can endure the financial tipping points in the long term. Come to think of it, there are probably a fair number of L1 and L2 fans, less old school (in the best sense of the word) than ourselves, who would be thrilled to see their teams competing against Premier League B teams in the League. (Edit) Additional thought. What I mean is, thus far we have been far enough down the pyramid to avoid most of the effect of the consolidation of footballing financial power. But that is no longer the case, as the reach of that power is increasing. As it has been doing since it's inception. |
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Post by Del on Sept 23, 2021 17:29:13 GMT
It won't happen. If Manchester City were allowed to do it then why not every other club in the Premiership. That is why they have an U23's League. If it won't happen then why is Guardiola even thinking, let alone commenting, about it? And yes, it would certainly include most (or all) of the Premiership clubs. From their point of view having thier B teams established within the League structure is far more attractive and dynamic a prospect than a ringfenced U23's League. And yes, it could be made expensive for them to do this, but they still have the money to do it. And we've all seen, since the initial establishment of the Premier League, how the big money holds sway and the teams that have it call the shots. I see the words 'integrity' and 'unfair'. I really am on the side of those sentiments and I would far prefer us to play Hartlepool in L2 than, say, Newcastle B Team. But, I don't think the current structure can endure the financial tipping points in the long term. Come to think of it, there are probably a fair number of L1 and L2 fans, less old school (in the best sense of the word) than ourselves, who would be thrilled to see their teams competing against Premier League B teams in the League. It won't be a league structure with Premiership B teams in it for obvious reasons. It musn't happen under any circumstances. |
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Post by kpinwp on Sept 23, 2021 17:31:45 GMT
If it won't happen then why is Guardiola even thinking, let alone commenting, about it? And yes, it would certainly include most (or all) of the Premiership clubs. From their point of view having thier B teams established within the League structure is far more attractive and dynamic a prospect than a ringfenced U23's League. And yes, it could be made expensive for them to do this, but they still have the money to do it. And we've all seen, since the initial establishment of the Premier League, how the big money holds sway and the teams that have it call the shots. I see the words 'integrity' and 'unfair'. I really am on the side of those sentiments and I would far prefer us to play Hartlepool in L2 than, say, Newcastle B Team. But, I don't think the current structure can endure the financial tipping points in the long term. Come to think of it, there are probably a fair number of L1 and L2 fans, less old school (in the best sense of the word) than ourselves, who would be thrilled to see their teams competing against Premier League B teams in the League. It won't be a league structure with Premiership B teams in it for obvious reasons. It musn't happen under any circumstances. You mean I should refer to them as U23 teams? No problem. It's still essentially a Premier League second team whatever name it goes under. |
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Post by Del on Sept 23, 2021 17:34:27 GMT
It won't be a league structure with Premiership B teams in it for obvious reasons. It musn't happen under any circumstances. You mean I should refer to them as U23 teams? No problem. It's still essentially a Premier League second team whatever name it goes under. No it's not a question of U23's or B's. Its you can't have a football pyramid with these teams in. |
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