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Post by markf on Sept 26, 2021 21:07:42 GMT
Wow, if the swearing isn't the only thing you object to I would love to know what other antics they apparently get up to that are ruining your matchday experience?
Could be worth a Gandermonium blog in itself. An observational account about aerosols perhaps?
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Post by suttontutor on Sept 26, 2021 21:16:18 GMT
Wow, if the swearing isn't the only thing you object to I would love to know what other antics they apparently get up to that are ruining your matchday experience? Could be worth a Gandermonium blog in itself. An observational account about aerosols perhaps? Hmm, yes, but that ‘observational account’ of themselves is just what they write every week!
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Post by markf on Sept 26, 2021 21:21:30 GMT
That is, I believe, rather the point of the blog (except when it is written by a guest blogger). Their account of their day at football with not too much about the match. After all, enough is written about the game by many others.
And they're not all aerosols, some are quite decent people and educated to a good level.
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Post by oohaah on Sept 26, 2021 21:24:23 GMT
Seriously guys? You don't recognize a Troll when you see one? Shame there isn't an 'ignore' button.
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Post by Del on Sept 26, 2021 21:25:38 GMT
I think some gentle clapping with an occasional shout of "UP SUTTON" would be perfect.
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Post by markf on Sept 26, 2021 21:26:15 GMT
Oh come on Kev, if he wants a debate let him have one. He ain't gonna win.
You know me, always up for "debate".
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Post by markf on Sept 26, 2021 21:28:12 GMT
Could have done with that yesterday Del. At 2 0 the place was like a bloody library for a while.
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Post by jr on Sept 26, 2021 21:58:44 GMT
WOW What a statement Are you saying that The Shoebox was the only place where swearing takes place??!! Ridiculous Well, I wasn’t just referring to swearing - that much was clear, I feel. If you had read my posting properly, you would have seen the phrase “drunken men behaving like children”. That was what I was complaining about. There was quite a LOT of those in the old shoebox, including that dull boozy blogger who thinks he’s an entertainer. Let me get this straight. I go to GGL to watch a decent game of football, and have been doing so for more than ten years now. I see no reason why a small clique of aerosols who think they are somehow privileged should ruin that for me. What a load of crap. I assume you’re on a wind up. I don’t know why you think they’re boozed up as that’s not the case. After the game perhaps, putting hard earned money behind the bar. You also don’t have to read the very entertaining blog either. Oh, and there’s plenty of other places to stand. Perhaps moaners corner under the terracing would suit. That’s where I stood for quite a few years but moved as the moaning got so ridiculous.
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Post by backhome2016 on Sept 27, 2021 6:20:23 GMT
Having stood or sat at football grounds across the country for over 50 years, I can happily say that Sutton United is one of the most laid back and friendly places that I’ve been a spectator. The fan base is, almost to a man/woman, non-confrontational and largely respectful of all other supporters, home or away. As we have made our way up the footballing pyramid, and crowds of 400 become 800 become 1500 become 2800, such a build in numbers are bound to attract a new wave of supporters who have been brought up with their football referencing from elsewhere - places that language and tribalism are the norm. As other posters have said, this is not so much a product of football, rather of society.
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Post by halftimet on Sept 27, 2021 7:28:24 GMT
I am happy to shout at officials (in a constructive way of course) and seldom swear as you can put your point across without doing so. I too dislike the your s… ahh comment at goal kicks or any chant with the s word in it. Football is a sport that allows the spectator to let out some pent up emotion and that’s fine but it does seem to bring out the base instinct of some particularly when in a group.
I often hear derogatory comments about the opposition especially if we go ahead but too many times I have seen a lead disappear so refrain from doing so.
I have respect for fans especially those that follow teams long distances for little reward. In some ways that is what true football is about whether premiership or non league.
What we need to remember is that without officials, other clubs and other supporters football would not exist at any level.
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Post by Andy K on Sept 27, 2021 8:25:24 GMT
Every club has their dicks, as do we.
Hand on heart, those who previously occupied the shoebox can't be described in that way whatsoever.
There is also a huge difference to those who swear (and in my experience of 35 years coming to the club 99% of the time is associated with the emotion of the game), and that tiny minority who are out to cause trouble. Anyone who was at the Scunthorpe game will be very aware that the fans are very very good at self policing that.
I listened to the game on ifollow on Saturday. Every chant that came across on air was positive with "united" being the clearest. I really don't think our commentary service has an advanced swear filter!
As for the match and result. Superb, and it's been coming for a while. Let's carry that momentum to a much tougher task this Saturday, where fuel permitting, I'll be there supporting us on our next adventure.
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Post by sallycat on Sept 27, 2021 8:34:43 GMT
Maybe I should chip in my 2p's worth here as the mother of two young daughters I've been bringing to matches since they were born.
It probably goes without saying that I don't mind a bit of swearing. I've been going to matches for 26 years and I'd have to be an idiot to be shocked by swearing after that long.
Children tend not to copy swear words if you don't make a big pearl-clutching deal of them. Used in a sentence for emphasis, they're pretty meaningless and if you don't use them at home, kids generally won't take them away and use them if it's not really possible to infer what the words actually mean.
It's only when you gasp and cover their ears or tut and comment or drag them away or otherwise draw their attention to the swearing, that children will start seeing swearwords as "naughty" and thus a bit daring and thrilling and fun. And that's when they will start copying them. Otherwise they're just boring, meaningless sentence fillers that grown-ups use at football when they're a bit cross.
If the words are used abusively then of course it's different. If my children hear misogynistic, homophobic or just plain abusive language then yes, I will explain how this can hurt people and why nice people shouldn't behave like that. The trouble is some people can't seem to get their heads around the difference between language that's a bit vulgar and abuse that can actually be damaging to people. If you're offended by virtually meaningless swearwords that are just used for emphasis in frustration rather than words weaponised to hurt people then I really don't know what to tell you except maybe try to relax a bit?
But I digress. My main point here is that both my children have been coming to matches since they were babies (in the case of the one born during the football season, since she was six days old), throughout the time they were learning to talk, standing in the thick of the sweary crowd as they grew older and their vocabulary swelled. Even last season we found ourselves hearing some choice language from the pitch and touchline via livestream and TV, but here's the thing, I've never once made an issue of it or made it interesting to them. Now they're schoolgirls of four and six years old and neither of them has uttered a swearword even once. And if they do, then a calm and measured explanation that those words are like burps, they're OK for football matches but they're considered very rude at school or other public places (which they understand very well) should suffice.
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Post by sallycat on Sept 27, 2021 8:41:17 GMT
Anyone who was at the Scunthorpe game will be very aware that the fans are very very good at self policing that. And this is a much more constructive way of dealing with it. I (and possibly someone else too, I'm not sure) had a quiet word with some of our young fans about a certain chant about South London being wonderful, that has hideously misogynistic words that essentially reduce women to a heap of sexualised body parts. Since then I've only heard the other version from them. Which isn't a million times better, but at least it's more about poking fun at ourselves than targeting a group of people who are then likely to feel vulnerable and uncomfortable.
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Post by SG on Sept 27, 2021 9:24:50 GMT
I always like to see games end with 11 against 11 if at all possible.The sending off was ludicrous,what did the bloke do wrong? The disgraceful baying of certain sections of the crowd including some old men to my right doesn't help either and when you see very young children wave him goodbye as he walked off it makes you wonder what on earth is going on. Also some of the disgusting chanting was out of order from both sets of supporters though i was especially dismayed to hear it from our fans. I suppose it's acceptable now we are in the "big time?" I agree, some very poor behaviour indeed. Unfortunately, since they removed ‘the shoebox’, all of the unpleasant oiks and sheer undesirables that used to inhabit therein have slithered off to various other points in the ground, thus increasing the likelihood of a proper supporter being surrounded by drunken men behaving like children. I was stuck next to a few at the Hartlepool game and had to move away. Their sad efforts to outdo each other in appalling behaviour remind me of playground antics. Just what they are trying to achieve escapes me! Interested (well, not really, but y'know...) to hear what a "proper supporter" is in your mind. Is it, for example, one who in the days of the Ryman League would run Rose's tea hut for the club? Is it one who has barely missed a game home or away for decades? Is it one who ensured that the club was able to claw back some of the cash lost to the pandemic by building a streaming platform for the club website so everyone could watch our home games? Because all of those were regulars on the Shoebox, but apparently they're "unpleasant oiks and sheer undesirables". Strange how nobody has ever thought to "have a word" about such appalling behaviour, but hey, it's a piece of piss to make up a load of crap from behind your keyboard under a nom de plume, isn't it? You're pathetic.
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Post by trev on Sept 27, 2021 9:42:54 GMT
Anyone who was at the Scunthorpe game will be very aware that the fans are very very good at self policing that. And this is a much more constructive way of dealing with it. I (and possibly someone else too, I'm not sure) had a quiet word with some of our young fans about a certain chant about South London being wonderful, that has hideously misogynistic words that essentially reduce women to a heap of sexualised body parts. Since then I've only heard the other version from them. Which isn't a million times better, but at least it's more about poking fun at ourselves than targeting a group of people who are then likely to feel vulnerable and uncomfortable. Yes, it's the absolute pits. I thought it was crass and vulgar when it rang out on the East London terraces of Upton Park (RIP) back in the day, and to say it hasn't aged well is an understatement. The bottom line is, if you have any respect for your wife/mother/daughter/paternal aunt/female co-worker/second cousin thrice removed then you would never sing that ghastly chant.
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