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Post by os on Jan 22, 2022 23:10:08 GMT
I thought it was 2 good sides cancelling themselves out today, as for Eastie's red I can't see anything to suggest why the Lino felt he could see something the ref could not. I can't see a stamp anywhere in there???
Also if the lads did a pitch side cam today that might show another angle.
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Post by halftimet on Jan 23, 2022 0:16:07 GMT
I can see a stamp but nowhere near the player. I thought their 5 deserved to go for a second yellow card offence when he blatantly pushed over Omar in the second half.
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Post by paz on Jan 23, 2022 0:45:30 GMT
If he was sent off for a stamp thats a farce. It looks like he just positioned him self firmly infront of the player so he coukd sheald and take control of the ball.
If anything it looks like he may have caught him with his fist which I do not think was intentional, but looks more visible than a stamp.
Hopefully it can be appealed as he might be out for 5 games with a second red? unless I am mistaken...
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trev
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Post by trev on Jan 23, 2022 1:08:40 GMT
Sutton (4th in the home form table) v Northampton (4th in the away form table) 6th v 9th in the form table. Northampton without a win the last 3. Us without a defeat in 6 odd weeks. We've got the same goal difference. Point per match 1.72 v 1.71. This is going to be too tough to call, but I really can't see it being a 0-0. Not a betting man, I hope.
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Post by terrier on Jan 23, 2022 7:43:33 GMT
The 4th official was Trevor Kettle. There’s your answer.
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Post by davep on Jan 23, 2022 9:37:13 GMT
There clearly wasn't a stamp. However, equally clearly, Craig's elbow makes contact with the opponent's face. Whether this was intentional or not, only Craig can know for certain. Have the officials got it right on this occasion? Not sure. Whether this is worth an appeal or not I think depends on what he has actually been sent off for. Craig is obviously a very good player at this level and his commitment is second to none. He plays in a position where it is unrealistic to expect that he will never pick up the occasional yellow card. However, he has had a poor disciplinary record for many years. That isn't solely due to poor decisions by officials. Nonsuch states earlier in this thread that he saw Craig strike an opponent 10 minutes before the red card. No matter how good a player is, he becomes a liability to his team if he can't stay on the pitch and if he keeps on missing matches through suspension. I won't condemn Craig for this particular incident because I don't think it is clear cut. However, looking at his disciplinary record over a number of years, I think that it does call into question whether or not he always sets the best example as a captain. I expect to be attacked for my comments here. I'm as grateful to Craig as anyone for all that he has done for Sutton United over many years and the loyalty that he has shown to the club - and I hope that he remains a Sutton United player for many years to come. However, there is a balance to be struck between commitment and being overly-aggressive. Craig may have been unfortunate on this occasion - but the maths suggests that over the course of his time with Sutton United, he has not always been getting this balance quite right.
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Post by garethl on Jan 23, 2022 10:02:30 GMT
There clearly wasn't a stamp. However, equally clearly, Craig's elbow makes contact with the opponent's face. Whether this was intentional or not, only Craig can know for certain. Have the officials got it right on this occasion? Not sure. Whether this is worth an appeal or not I think depends on what he has actually been sent off for. Craig is obviously a very good player at this level and his commitment is second to none. He plays in a position where it is unrealistic to expect that he will never pick up the occasional yellow card. However, he has had a poor disciplinary record for many years. That isn't solely due to poor decisions by officials. Nonsuch states earlier in this thread that he saw Craig strike an opponent 10 minutes before the red card. No matter how good a player is, he becomes a liability to his team if he can't stay on the pitch and if he keeps on missing matches through suspension. I won't condemn Craig for this particular incident because I don't think it is clear cut. However, looking at his disciplinary record over a number of years, I think that it does call into question whether or not he always sets the best example as a captain. I expect to be attacked for my comments here. I'm as grateful to Craig as anyone for all that he has done for Sutton United over many years and the loyalty that he has shown to the club - and I hope that he remains a Sutton United player for many years to come. However, there is a balance to be struck between commitment and being overly-aggressive. Craig may have been unfortunate on this occasion - but the maths suggests that over the course of his time with Sutton United, he has not always been getting this balance quite right. Can’t agree. You need a bit of steel in your team. He’s a serial winner and leader. Prior to these 2 very harsh (non?) red cards he had rarely over stepped and received a red one (I can’t remember a prior one but likely someone will come up with 1 or 2). Yes plenty of yellow but you make a foul or 2 and you’re booked these days. There was no elbow and that wasn’t what he was sent off for. There was no prior strike of a player, a bit of a square up. If he’d had struck someone you think there wouldn’t have been a player rolling around and a bench up in arms?!!
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Post by toothman on Jan 23, 2022 10:43:09 GMT
If he was sent off for a stamp thats a farce. It looks like he just positioned him self firmly infront of the player so he coukd sheald and take control of the ball. If anything it looks like he may have caught him with his fist which I do not think was intentional, but looks more visible than a stamp. Hopefully it can be appealed as he might be out for 5 games with a second red? unless I am mistaken... I have reviewed the video countless times I think Easty has caught the guys ankle as he’s tried to get control of the ball and then in the next part of the encounter he’s led with his arm out and caught him at the neck. Don’t think we’ll be able to appeal successfully. Don’t you get clobbered with an extra match ban if the appeal is unsuccessful? However, the other Northampton man should have had a yellow for kicking the ball into Easty when he was on the floor. Looking at the FA website a second or subsequent red card in a season results in an additional match ban over and above the tariff for the original crime which in this case is 3 matches Violent/foul play plus 1 = 4
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Post by baboonfish on Jan 23, 2022 10:55:42 GMT
Does anyone actually know if the red was given for the arm or the ankle? The latter would be especially harsh and perhaps appealable. The arm does make contact, also harsh but I doubt the club would win an appeal. Perhaps easty has acquired a reputation for being dirty which could be favouring referees' decisions. This and the Newport red are both soft.
What I can't understand is why the ref needed any input. He's perfectly positioned to make a decision. The 4th official is behind the incident yet or looks like he's made up the refs mind.
I thought the officials were excellent until that point. Perhaps there's some refereeing heirachy we don't know about and the ref didn't want to go against kettle, who knows? It's all very strange and has cost us points one way or another as we were the likely side to score and it will be very tough without easty for 4 games which come in quick succession. Perhaps we can bring a midfielder in on loan as we're very short there.
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Post by davep on Jan 23, 2022 11:23:01 GMT
We've been quite stretched in midfield for a while. With Harry's long term absence Matt has probably had less opportunity to rest Ali than he would have wanted - and excellent as Ali has been, he is understandably looking a bit tired. At least Harry is on the way back now - albeit, he is probably some way off being match fit. Kenny is obviously a more than capable deputy for Craig. Just not sure if fitness wise he is up to two games per week at the moment. Rob can also play in midfield of course with Ben playing left back. We also have Dundo if required and Adam Lovatt out on loan.
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Post by nonsuch on Jan 23, 2022 11:24:56 GMT
There clearly wasn't a stamp. However, equally clearly, Craig's elbow makes contact with the opponent's face. Whether this was intentional or not, only Craig can know for certain. Have the officials got it right on this occasion? Not sure. Whether this is worth an appeal or not I think depends on what he has actually been sent off for. Craig is obviously a very good player at this level and his commitment is second to none. He plays in a position where it is unrealistic to expect that he will never pick up the occasional yellow card. However, he has had a poor disciplinary record for many years. That isn't solely due to poor decisions by officials. Nonsuch states earlier in this thread that he saw Craig strike an opponent 10 minutes before the red card. No matter how good a player is, he becomes a liability to his team if he can't stay on the pitch and if he keeps on missing matches through suspension. I won't condemn Craig for this particular incident because I don't think it is clear cut. However, looking at his disciplinary record over a number of years, I think that it does call into question whether or not he always sets the best example as a captain. I expect to be attacked for my comments here. I'm as grateful to Craig as anyone for all that he has done for Sutton United over many years and the loyalty that he has shown to the club - and I hope that he remains a Sutton United player for many years to come. However, there is a balance to be struck between commitment and being overly-aggressive. Craig may have been unfortunate on this occasion - but the maths suggests that over the course of his time with Sutton United, he has not always been getting this balance quite right. Can’t agree. You need a bit of steel in your team. He’s a serial winner and leader. Prior to these 2 very harsh (non?) red cards he had rarely over stepped and received a red one (I can’t remember a prior one but likely someone will come up with 1 or 2). Yes plenty of yellow but you make a foul or 2 and you’re booked these days. There was no elbow and that wasn’t what he was sent off for. There was no prior strike of a player, a bit of a square up. If he’d had struck someone you think there wouldn’t have been a player rolling around and a bench up in arms?!! There was a deliberate hitting or tripping at foot level that caused the square up. Ball was out of play for a free kick I think so people (including ref) were looking in another direction, but it was just in front of me and I thought “oh, no, he’s looking for trouble again”. Great player, great passion, but should not do this kind of things. And I totally agree the red card was soft and it was not the 4th ref business to decide on it with the ref having the scene in front of his eyes.
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Post by is4 on Jan 23, 2022 12:11:16 GMT
If the club is going to appeal the red card. When will we know the outcome??
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Post by oohaah on Jan 23, 2022 13:17:43 GMT
Thank goodness we decided to err on the side of caution and cancel our trip to the Caribbean!Who wants to be in Barbados watching Cricket in the sunshine when you can be watching a 0-0 draw at GGL in the freezing cold from your (still restricted view) seat in the "Grandstand." We managed to grind it out until the 5 minutes extra time board went up. As for Craig Eastmond,don't worry about how many times he gets sent off and misses games-let's just keep on giving him the benefit of the doubt.It's never his fault. Oh for a thumbs down button!
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Post by Amber Aleman on Jan 23, 2022 14:19:26 GMT
Changing the subject slightly...yesterday's official attendance of 3,588 was our second highest at home this season (behind Port Vale) and (according to Football Web Pages) puts our league average at precisely 3,000. 🎯
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Post by garethl on Jan 23, 2022 14:21:09 GMT
As for Craig Eastmond,don't worry about how many times he gets sent off and misses games-let's just keep on giving him the benefit of the doubt.It's never his fault. And there was me thinking you were old school Billy 😂 Don’t think a game would have been finished in the games I played in if that was a sending off.
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