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Post by garethl on Jul 31, 2022 6:16:36 GMT
Don’t think knives are out as such. I thought he looked a good goalkeeper. Just needs to look at how he is kicking into the wind.
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Post by davethegrave on Jul 31, 2022 6:40:35 GMT
i thought House looked a better keeper in the pre season friendlies i saw but happy to give Rose the benefit of the doubt. Not sure why he picked up that back pass though as i saw no deflection. Honestly i thought it was a dreadful game but at least we didn't lose ! I saw the deflection but it was still a risky decision. He had time to clear it upfied but luckily nothing came of it.
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Post by backhome2016 on Jul 31, 2022 7:12:44 GMT
The way that many posters rush to protect the players from perceived ‘negativity’ is understandable, but quite often such perceived negativity is nothing more than observation that is mildly critical. To suggest that the knives are out for Rose is wide of the mark - they are just the thoughts of a few concerned supporters which are being shared with others. If you disagree that his kicking and distribution have areas of concern then please explain why you think so rather than suggest that such observations are purely born of spite. The forum would be a sedate and less lively place without an acceptance that sometimes we might need to discuss things of a less positive bent.
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Post by baboonfish on Jul 31, 2022 7:15:55 GMT
The knives aren't out for rose, but it's clear he has a fundamental technique issue which is going to cause us a lot of problems. I'm sure the coaching staff will be trying to address it. He's young enough to fix it and looked solid in other areas. If it can't be fixed, IMO it's too glaring of an issue to be a first choice keeper at this level but time will tell. Not seen much of house but his kicking looked miles better from what I have seen.
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Post by Amber Aleman on Jul 31, 2022 10:24:37 GMT
There are a couple of interesting match stats in today's Football League Paper. We had 49% possession yesterday, which I'm pretty sure is well above last season's average. And Newport committed sixteen fouls, the third-highest total in League Two. (We committed nine.)
It's too early to form conclusions, but maybe we've become a less stylish team but one more determined to keep the ball.
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Post by trev on Jul 31, 2022 11:43:53 GMT
According to the BBC's website, we had 52% of possession and committed 10 fouls. I'd be interested to know the reason for the slight disparity, presumably different websites use different statisticians but I'd always assumed, wrongly it would seem, that match stats were collated from a single source.
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Post by boomboom on Jul 31, 2022 11:49:08 GMT
Have to disagree with all the negativity towards Rose. It’s the first game of the season and, pretty much all players looked a little rusty on occasions. Let’s let the team settle and I’m sure things will look different in the coming games. Regarding Rose v Bouzanis comparisons, it should be pointed out that Dean did have a tendency to kick the ball out of play now and again - immediately giving the opposition possession - something that Rose never did yesterday IIRC. I actually thought he was rather nervy in the rest of his play: I prefer a keeper who catches rather than punches but maybe that's just me. Whatever, it's still very early days for goodness sake so let's see how things pan out. Incidentally, I watched the first half from the Tardis Terrace as I usually used to do when able. The improvements made to the area are commendable and I thought the view was excellent.
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Post by brisfitboy2 on Jul 31, 2022 12:25:24 GMT
Have to disagree with all the negativity towards Rose. It’s the first game of the season and, pretty much all players looked a little rusty on occasions. Let’s let the team settle and I’m sure things will look different in the coming games. Regarding Rose v Bouzanis comparisons, it should be pointed out that Dean did have a tendency to kick the ball out of play now and again - immediately giving the opposition possession - something that Rose never did yesterday IIRC. I actually thought he was rather nervy in the rest of his play: I prefer a keeper who catches rather than punches but maybe that's just me. Whatever, it's still very early days for goodness sake so let's see how things pan out. Incidentally, I watched the first half from the Tardis Terrace as I usually used to do when able. The improvements made to the area are commendable and I thought the view was excellent.
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Post by garethl on Jul 31, 2022 12:26:27 GMT
I personally think the possession stats being roughly 50/50 reflect the fact it was a bit of a long ball scrap. Neither side really tried to control possession or perhaps weren’t allowed to. 2nd half Newport pumped long balls on Rob Milsom who Norman had the beating of generally in the air (no criticism of Rob - the guy was just physically bigger), and then picked up the pieces, generally resulting in long throw ins. We defended well to the balls being hurled in 2nd half. I actually think Newport similar to us last season style wise but without the decent wide players. I reckon they might struggle. Most league 2 sides try and play a bit more from the back which is why they tend to have more possession than us.
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Post by brisfitboy2 on Jul 31, 2022 12:30:44 GMT
Funnily enough when I first saw him yesterday I immediately thought of Ross Worner as we always joked about his high and off the pitch kicks, but to give JR his due he did make some good quality saves and I’ll forgive him for his punches.
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Post by paz on Jul 31, 2022 14:52:54 GMT
I tend to force myself to have a footie brake in pre-season so never saw any friendlies. But going by yesterday's performance, while still very early, I am fairly optimistic.
I thought we looked the better team until Goodliffe went off and I did not think Cobi looked fit enough. I rate him highly but think his fitness Holds him back a bit sometimes, To me he did not look match fit.
I thought we seemed to be playing it on the deck a bit more than last season and generally thought we have hit the ground running in terms of sharpness and togetherness.
What we saw of new signings also looked ok. I think Rose (while not tested a great deal) looked quite solid when called upon. He seemed to communicate a lot with the defence.
I thought a draw was fair or maybe we could have nicked it. We were a bit lacklustre in the second half with maybe heat being a factor, but their front two are a handful and Think we faced a strong side yesterday. That said they did kick us about a bit and were a bit dirty in their play..
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Post by kpinwp on Jul 31, 2022 15:33:24 GMT
Wasn't at the match yesterday due to the train strike but re. Rose's kicking; I do recall that Dean's own kicking was not always assessed as completely bang on. I certainly didn't see it as the strongest part of his game, and it would tend to deteriorate in pressure matches. Fine keeper, otherwise, as I'm sure Rose will be.
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Post by baboonfish on Jul 31, 2022 17:14:46 GMT
Wasn't at the match yesterday due to the train strike but re. Rose's kicking; I do recall that Dean's own kicking was not always assessed as completely bang on. I certainly didn't see it as the strongest part of his game, and it would tend to deteriorate in pressure matches. Fine keeper, otherwise, as I'm sure Rose will be. Bouzanis's ability with his feet was better than some of the outfield players, definitely Ben G's, and was a major strength. No keeper is accurate all the time but his kicking often set up counter attacking opportunities. There will be no such tactical opportunities with rose, but I'm sure the team will adjust tactic if he remains first choice. It could end up making us slightly more possession based, which could partly explain higher than average stats yesterday. Or we could pick up another 6ft 5 target man to get underneath his high kicks. Thomas could be an option but Omar is not tall enough to win headers from balls coming down from such height. But above all, the coaches need to improve rose's distance. He couldn't clear his own half against the wind, and it wasn't that strong. Sorry but that won't be acceptable at this level. As I've said, the rest of his game looked solid and he should be given a chance to work on his kicking before bringing in someone else. Keepers distribution is so important in modern football (why else are Ederson and Allison two of the world's best). It's often the difference between semi pro and professional keepers. However, my gut feeling as an ex keeper and having always been a keen observer of the position, is his kicking technocal problem might ultimately prevent him being first choice keeper here in the long term.
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Post by kpinwp on Jul 31, 2022 20:00:40 GMT
Wasn't at the match yesterday due to the train strike but re. Rose's kicking; I do recall that Dean's own kicking was not always assessed as completely bang on. I certainly didn't see it as the strongest part of his game, and it would tend to deteriorate in pressure matches. Fine keeper, otherwise, as I'm sure Rose will be. Bouzanis's ability with his feet was better than some of the outfield players, definitely Ben G's, and was a major strength. No keeper is accurate all the time but his kicking often set up counter attacking opportunities. There will be no such tactical opportunities with rose, but I'm sure the team will adjust tactic if he remains first choice. It could end up making us slightly more possession based, which could partly explain higher than average stats yesterday. Or we could pick up another 6ft 5 target man to get underneath his high kicks. Thomas could be an option but Omar is not tall enough to win headers from balls coming down from such height. But above all, the coaches need to improve rose's distance. He couldn't clear his own half against the wind, and it wasn't that strong. Sorry but that won't be acceptable at this level. As I've said, the rest of his game looked solid and he should be given a chance to work on his kicking before bringing in someone else. Keepers distribution is so important in modern football (why else are Ederson and Allison two of the world's best). It's often the difference between semi pro and professional keepers. However, my gut feeling as an ex keeper and having always been a keen observer of the position, is his kicking technocal problem might ultimately prevent him being first choice keeper here in the long term. Well fair do's. Perhaps I'd allowed myself to become over critical of Dean's kicking. I don't recall it being particularly good at Wembley, mind.
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Post by Andy K on Aug 1, 2022 9:00:08 GMT
The way that many posters rush to protect the players from perceived ‘negativity’ is understandable, but quite often such perceived negativity is nothing more than observation that is mildly critical. To suggest that the knives are out for Rose is wide of the mark - they are just the thoughts of a few concerned supporters which are being shared with others. If you disagree that his kicking and distribution have areas of concern then please explain why you think so rather than suggest that such observations are purely born of spite. The forum would be a sedate and less lively place without an acceptance that sometimes we might need to discuss things of a less positive bent. Sure. Judging players on one competitive game at the very start of the season isn't a judgment. It's a kneejerk reaction. If we're into September and this has been an issue in every game in August, I wouldn't have an issue with it. But to judge a player on what is pereceived as a season defining weakness based on one match is a folly. We are a league 2 side with league 2 players. Almost with exception they won't be able to perform at a consistent level week in week out (I'd say with one notable exception in our current side). One player worshipped by some of our fans and now at Peterborough spent half of last season unable to cross a ball, and once that part of his game improved there were many matches where he was anonymous, yet never was the player marked out as having important parts of their game missing. Personally, I didn't notice his kicking that match, either negatively or positively. The backpass incident was, however, silly. But then he also made 2 key saves, one spectacular and the other (which I think was probably even better) was the 1 on 1 he did in the 2nd half. Over the rest of the squad there were a handful who had good games and other who didn't have the best game they could have had. None of those players, as is the case for Rose just as much, defines their ability to compete at this level based on one game. On a personal, possibly incorrect assumption, it could well be others judging new or current players based on others. Maybe people are judging Rose compared to Bouzanis, in the same way Randall and Boldewijn were judged last season compared to Ajiboye. When people find a "favourite" player, it's sometimes human nature to compare others to that standard, even if they play in a totally different way. Personally I'll take the opinion that Matt Gray will always know more than us, and feels that Rose is good enough to be our first choice goalkeeper for this season.
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