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Post by sufc1898 on Nov 20, 2022 10:02:28 GMT
We should put out our strongest team, with the only change being Omar coming in. There is no game next Saturday so no reason to change things.
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Post by davep on Nov 20, 2022 10:17:38 GMT
We are now in our second season in the EFL and we have had to deal with an 'injury crisis' both seasons - albeit that it has come earlier this season than last season (and looks likely to be more prolonged). Is this just bad luck/coincidence or is there some contributory factor such as the intensity of the way we play or train? It certainly feels like this season's crisis is being felt more acutely than last season's. I think that this is in part due to both our 1st choice Xl and squad players being generally somewhat weaker than last season following the Summer departures and recruitment (although we appear to have a slightly larger squad this season if we include players out on loan). Is Luke injured at the moment? If not, it must be slightly demoralising for him not to even make the bench yesterday given how depleted our squad is and with Enzio having to play full back. Seems he is very much a direct replacement for Ricky Korboa. As Amber Aleman says, we are currently 9 points clear of the bottom two - but will that still be the case at Xmas? We won't have many easier games on paper than yesterday's between now and Xmas (and we were fortunate to win yesterday) - and other than the returning Omar, we are going to be pretty well dependent on yesterday's match day squad until that time. The likelihood is that injury and/or yellow cards is likely to further deplete our team between now and Xmas. Should Matt consider resting some key payers for Tuesday night's game at (in form) Wimbledon? At this moment in time, loss of income aside, our early exit from the FA Cup looks like a blessing in disguise.
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Post by presssec on Nov 20, 2022 10:32:43 GMT
Just to clarify re yellow cards, yesterday was our 19th league game of the season, which is the cut off after which accumulating five bookings does not lead to a one match ban, so any immediate threat there has now gone. The next cut off is 10 bookings up to and including the 37th league game, which is a two match ban.
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Post by timall on Nov 20, 2022 10:56:14 GMT
We are now in our second season in the EFL and we have had to deal with an 'injury crisis' both seasons - albeit that it has come earlier this season than last season (and looks likely to be more prolonged). Is this just bad luck/coincidence or is there some contributory factor such as the intensity of the way we play or train? It certainly feels like this season's crisis is being felt more acutely than last season's. I think that this is in part due to both our 1st choice Xl and squad players being generally somewhat weaker than last season following the Summer departures and recruitment (although we appear to have a slightly larger squad this season if we include players out on loan). Is Luke injured at the moment? If not, it must be slightly demoralising for him not to even make the bench yesterday given how depleted our squad is and with Enzio having to play full back. Seems he is very much a direct replacement for Ricky Korboa. As Amber Aleman says, we are currently 9 points clear of the bottom two - but will that still be the case at Xmas? We won't have many easier games on paper than yesterday's between now and Xmas (and we were fortunate to win yesterday) - and other than the returning Omar, we are going to be pretty well dependent on yesterday's match day squad until that time. The likelihood is that injury and/or yellow cards is likely to further deplete our team between now and Xmas. Should Matt consider resting some key payers for Tuesday night's game at (in form) Wimbledon? At this moment in time, loss of income aside, our early exit from the FA Cup looks like a blessing in disguise. In addition to Tony's point, Luke didn't even make the bench yesterday as he is representing his country - something the Club doesn't stand in the way off. I doubt he is feeling demoralised about that.
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Post by paz on Nov 20, 2022 11:00:25 GMT
Much needed win which will give the current selection a bit of confidence.
Rochdale look a hard side to play against and would be surprised if they went down.
I think we just about shaded in terms of chances. The goal obviously had an air of luck, but to be honest it was such a good ball even if it did not curl in as much there were a few there to guide it in. We have been getting some good balls in recently but with no one there to connect, so it was ironic that when one actually went in by it's self.
Lovatt starting to look a good little player, if he can do more around the box and add a bit of a goal threat to his game then no reason why he can't compete for that place in the future, still being a young lad. You can see why Matt has hung on to him.
If we can get a defender and midfielder back in time for Xmas and nick a few points in that time then the season may not look so bad.
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Post by Andy K on Nov 20, 2022 11:16:26 GMT
We are now in our second season in the EFL and we have had to deal with an 'injury crisis' both seasons - albeit that it has come earlier this season than last season (and looks likely to be more prolonged). Is this just bad luck/coincidence or is there some contributory factor such as the intensity of the way we play or train? It certainly feels like this season's crisis is being felt more acutely than last season's. I think that this is in part due to both our 1st choice Xl and squad players being generally somewhat weaker than last season following the Summer departures and recruitment (although we appear to have a slightly larger squad this season if we include players out on loan). Is Luke injured at the moment? If not, it must be slightly demoralising for him not to even make the bench yesterday given how depleted our squad is and with Enzio having to play full back. Seems he is very much a direct replacement for Ricky Korboa. As Amber Aleman says, we are currently 9 points clear of the bottom two - but will that still be the case at Xmas? We won't have many easier games on paper than yesterday's between now and Xmas (and we were fortunate to win yesterday) - and other than the returning Omar, we are going to be pretty well dependent on yesterday's match day squad until that time. The likelihood is that injury and/or yellow cards is likely to further deplete our team between now and Xmas. Should Matt consider resting some key payers for Tuesday night's game at (in form) Wimbledon? At this moment in time, loss of income aside, our early exit from the FA Cup looks like a blessing in disguise. Firstly I don't think we were at all fortunate to win yesterday. On another day with a bit more fortune and their keeper not pulling off a top draw save we could have won 3-0. Secondly I don't especially think our first choice XI are somewhat weaker than last season. On the opening day of the season our starting XI contained 10 out of 11 players with us from the previous season, all integral to our success. Thirdly, would you like to name a time in Sutton United history where we've had so many first choice players out with long term injuries? Because I can't, and my time following Sutton goes back nearly 40 years. Fourthly, surely you can't expect the entire squad of any side to be equally strong throughout? That's not how any squad operates. Fifthly, we have 4 matches between now and Xmas. That's 4 games in 5 weeks. Regarding Tuesday, any yellow cards got won't affect league games. We don't have a match for 10 days after that. Tuesday is going to be a full strength side. Wimbledon are in the FA cup the following Saturday, hosting a very in form Chesterfield. They are more likely to field a weaker team than we are, or should. With the run on injuries we've had, I'm more and more convinced that mid table obscurity would actually be a greater achievement than where we finished last year. If we'd finished 19th last season, I don't think many would be complaining. It's time for some people to reset their expectations for this season.
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Post by brisfitboy on Nov 20, 2022 11:22:24 GMT
We will be in L1 after spending 10 consecutive seasons in L2 as we get promotion every 10 years, look at our previous results, but we will still be a ‘pub team’ 🤣😂🤭 Surely we’d be in the Championship as we get promoted every 5 years? 2011 Isthmian Premier 2016 Conference South 2021 National League Sorry yes quite right, senior moment again been having too many lately 🤦♂️. Come to that was I being predictive and thinking of the Championship?
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Post by Amber Aleman on Nov 20, 2022 11:23:22 GMT
Adam Lovatt and Joe Kizzi have been mentioned as having played well; no disagreement from me there, but Jack Rose also merits a mention as he made some smart saves during Rochdale's spells of second-half pressure.
The whole defence did pretty well, and a clean sheet is always worth celebrating at this level.
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Post by cheshire on Nov 20, 2022 11:37:50 GMT
Ill never bemoan a day when we win 1-0 and the sentiment is that we "got away with one". Across 46 games you get a few! And its debatable if yesterday was even one of those; sure Rochdale may feel they were worth a point (and maybe they were) but when you think of the rotten luck and bad breaks (no pun intended) we have had this year plus the injuries, over 46 games every team is entitled to come away with a result like that. Its all about the spin you want to give it. Didn't we just win 1-0 despite not playing anything like as well as we can and in the midst of the worst run of injuries anyone can remember? So using that logic, once the spine of the team is back in place and we get a good run of form going, we'll be dominating every team in this league!! Of course we all know football doesnt work that way, but I am focusing on the fact that 50 points is our target and there is no reason why we shouldn't see alot more positives on the field once we get to Xmas and get a few of the squad back on the pitch.
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Post by davep on Nov 20, 2022 12:09:42 GMT
We are now in our second season in the EFL and we have had to deal with an 'injury crisis' both seasons - albeit that it has come earlier this season than last season (and looks likely to be more prolonged). Is this just bad luck/coincidence or is there some contributory factor such as the intensity of the way we play or train? It certainly feels like this season's crisis is being felt more acutely than last season's. I think that this is in part due to both our 1st choice Xl and squad players being generally somewhat weaker than last season following the Summer departures and recruitment (although we appear to have a slightly larger squad this season if we include players out on loan). Is Luke injured at the moment? If not, it must be slightly demoralising for him not to even make the bench yesterday given how depleted our squad is and with Enzio having to play full back. Seems he is very much a direct replacement for Ricky Korboa. As Amber Aleman says, we are currently 9 points clear of the bottom two - but will that still be the case at Xmas? We won't have many easier games on paper than yesterday's between now and Xmas (and we were fortunate to win yesterday) - and other than the returning Omar, we are going to be pretty well dependent on yesterday's match day squad until that time. The likelihood is that injury and/or yellow cards is likely to further deplete our team between now and Xmas. Should Matt consider resting some key payers for Tuesday night's game at (in form) Wimbledon? At this moment in time, loss of income aside, our early exit from the FA Cup looks like a blessing in disguise. Firstly I don't think we were at all fortunate to win yesterday. On another day with a bit more fortune and their keeper not pulling off a top draw save we could have won 3-0. Secondly I don't especially think our first choice XI are somewhat weaker than last season. On the opening day of the season our starting XI contained 10 out of 11 players with us from the previous season, all integral to our success. Thirdly, would you like to name a time in Sutton United history where we've had so many first choice players out with long term injuries? Because I can't, and my time following Sutton goes back nearly 40 years. Fourthly, surely you can't expect the entire squad of any side to be equally strong throughout? That's not how any squad operates. Fifthly, we have 4 matches between now and Xmas. That's 4 games in 5 weeks. Regarding Tuesday, any yellow cards got won't affect league games. We don't have a match for 10 days after that. Tuesday is going to be a full strength side. Wimbledon are in the FA cup the following Saturday, hosting a very in form Chesterfield. They are more likely to field a weaker team than we are, or should. With the run on injuries we've had, I'm more and more convinced that mid table obscurity would actually be a greater achievement than where we finished last year. If we'd finished 19th last season, I don't think many would be complaining. It's time for some people to reset their expectations for this season.
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Post by swedishchapter on Nov 20, 2022 12:28:37 GMT
Good 3 points and equally good commentary by Ollie!
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Post by jr on Nov 20, 2022 12:41:40 GMT
Not sure if that was any advert for L2 football but I'll gladly take the points. We needed that. Thought Rose had a good game and Kouassi is growing into the 'Omar' role. Ecouraging. Ref. had quite a good one. (ducks...) I'd take that score and match every week from now on. We certainly needed that, especially the players. It's those things that can turn a season around. And I agree. Allison actually showed one of the better reffing displays we've seen this season. He reffed Crawley at home last season and thought he was the best ref we had last season. He’s a decent ref now
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Post by davep on Nov 20, 2022 12:50:20 GMT
Firstly, I think that a number of posters on this board who view matches through slightly less amber-tinted spectacles might agree that on the balance of play, Rochdale probably deserved a draw yesterday.
Secondly, I personally don't think that we have replaced Deano, David or Tanto with players who, at this time, are at the same level.
Thirdly, I can't think of a time either when we have had so many injuries at the same time - which is why I asked the question about whether this was coincidental - and I've been following Sutton since 1965.
Fourthly, I don't expect our second choice players to be equivalent to our first choice players - but last season the gap between the likes of Kenny and Richie with the likes of Easty and Omar seemed closer to me than the gap between some of our first choice and second choice players this season.
Fifthly, I suspect that Matt will field a full strength side on Tuesday because he hasn't really got much of an option at the moment unless he brings in academy players like he did for the SSC. I don't know what team Wimbledon will put out - but I think that there is little doubt that they will really want to win this one. I know that yellow cards in the Pizza Cup don't affect league games. Grateful to Tim for clarifying the situation with yellow cards and the '19 match cut off' in the league - that is good news. Pleased for Luke that he has been called upon to represent his country - but he hasn't been given much opportunity on other occasions this season. Also would have thought that if one of our players had been called up by his country, we would have congratulated him on our web-site - maybe we did and I missed it?
Fully agree that mid-table this season should be viewed as a bigger achievement than our finish last season. I would have settled for that before the season started because I think there is something to be said for 'second season syndrome' - particularly for small clubs with small budgets.
All the people who post on this board (unless they are trolls or the occasional away fan) are Sutton supporters. I first went to watch Sutton with my uncle in 1965 when I was 6 years old - and I've followed them ever since. I was thinking earlier this morning that If Matt is still with us at the end of the season (and I very much hope he will be) we will have had two managers in 15 years - and that is something to be very proud of. However, anyone using this board ought to be able to express views without being attacked by 'the usual suspects'. IS4 has been driven off this board in recent months because of this - and regardless of whether you agreed with his views or not, he clearly cared about the club. Surely the point of a board like this is that people who all care about the club and ultimately want the best for the club, will have different views?
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Post by halftimet on Nov 20, 2022 13:11:19 GMT
We are now in our second season in the EFL and we have had to deal with an 'injury crisis' both seasons - albeit that it has come earlier this season than last season (and looks likely to be more prolonged). Is this just bad luck/coincidence or is there some contributory factor such as the intensity of the way we play or train? It certainly feels like this season's crisis is being felt more acutely than last season's. I think that this is in part due to both our 1st choice Xl and squad players being generally somewhat weaker than last season following the Summer departures and recruitment (although we appear to have a slightly larger squad this season if we include players out on loan). Is Luke injured at the moment? If not, it must be slightly demoralising for him not to even make the bench yesterday given how depleted our squad is and with Enzio having to play full back. Seems he is very much a direct replacement for Ricky Korboa. As Amber Aleman says, we are currently 9 points clear of the bottom two - but will that still be the case at Xmas? We won't have many easier games on paper than yesterday's between now and Xmas (and we were fortunate to win yesterday) - and other than the returning Omar, we are going to be pretty well dependent on yesterday's match day squad until that time. The likelihood is that injury and/or yellow cards is likely to further deplete our team between now and Xmas. Should Matt consider resting some key payers for Tuesday night's game at (in form) Wimbledon? At this moment in time, loss of income aside, our early exit from the FA Cup looks like a blessing in disguise. In addition to Tony's point, Luke didn't even make the bench yesterday as he is representing his country - something the Club doesn't stand in the way off. I doubt he is feeling demoralised about that. We cannot speak for Maltese fans though!
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Post by backhome2016 on Nov 20, 2022 13:17:25 GMT
All the people who post on this board (unless they are trolls or the occasional away fan) are Sutton supporters. However, anyone using this board ought to be able to express views without being attacked by 'the usual suspects'. IS4 has been driven off this board in recent months because of this - and regardless of whether you agreed with his views or not, he clearly cared about the club. Surely the point of a board like this is that people who all care about the club and ultimately want the best for the club, will have different views? In total agreement. There do seem to be a small number of posters who rally to the clubs defence at perceived criticism. To criticise the club is not being disloyal, it is having an opinion, and a wish to share that opinion with those with an interest in the club. Opinions differ, even amongst posters who broadly believe in the same things. To drive posters away is to neuter the forum, and what a dull place it would then become. By all means debate a difference of opinion, but please don’t call people out as being clueless or disloyal because their thoughts happen to differ from yours.
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