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Post by markf on Nov 20, 2022 13:47:46 GMT
Isn't the right to post what you want on here equal to the right of disagreeing with what has been posted? If not, debate on ap is dead.
As for IS4, he was making comment about a facility he has never seen (nor to that point have I but then I haven't commented about it). He also suggested we sell it when it's not the club's to sell.
If challenging statements that are factually incorrect is an issue to the poster who then decides to leave ap as a result, surely that's his problem not that of those who point out these errors.
Ok, there are ways of going about challenging such statements and maybe the response was a bit harsh but I for one was astonished by the lack of knowledge being exhibited.
Most on here are reasonable with their views, it certainly isn't anywhere as critical as many of the other L2 forums but I think SUFC deserve a bit of slack considering the sudden elevation in status and some of us older lags can recall far leaner times than being experienced at present.
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Post by backhome2016 on Nov 20, 2022 14:16:33 GMT
I think SUFC deserve a bit of slack considering the sudden elevation in status and some of us older lags can recall far leaner times than being experienced at present. Why cut the club some slack? Why are they/we ‘different’ from any other League Two team? If we want to dine at the ‘big boys’ table then we need to accept the ‘big boy’ terms, which includes an influx of new supporters and some of the baggage that goes with it - which includes a less genteel and respectful way from some supporters and a more hectoring, questioning dialogue. My attendance at Prem, Championship and League 1 and 2 games can vouch for the fact that our support is extraordinary polite and accommodating - my trawl through the lower pyramid also bears this out, so when the ground beneath our feet starts to rumble it is understandable that there is discomfort- however, as I said, it does go with the new territory. it is also easy to draw up an ‘us’ (pre- glory Dos days) and ‘them’ (League Two) line in the supporter base. Just because my first game at GGL was in the mid-70s gives me no more right to attend or comment on a match than someone who has just seen us for the first time this season. Some could argue that their view in the cold light of a new day might have more clarity than a view through rose-tinted glasses. And this exchange between us is good! A slight disagreement that is honestly, and respectfully, discussed.
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Post by is4 on Nov 20, 2022 14:27:29 GMT
I have been reading comments on this forum after I said I was leaving. I want to thank those who made good comments on my behalf. And those people who came and said I should not have left. Can I please reply to some of the comments made. Firstly,yes, I have not been to the new training centre so yes I may be wrong. Can I point out that I went several times to the training sessions when held at the ground so I know what goes on in training. I mentioned tactics etc. I think I was misread ,as I think that tactics are thought of and practiced on the training ground. Again regarding the training centre I was thinking of the cost of hiring etc.that is if the club do not own it. I hope that this may have cleared any confusion.
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Post by sufc1898 on Nov 20, 2022 14:57:53 GMT
Not really, no
So you ‘may’ have been wrong re the training centre - no, you were definitely wrong
And just as you watched a few training sessions at some point, doesn’t make you the next MG
Just a case of think before you post
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Post by is4 on Nov 20, 2022 15:11:27 GMT
OK so I was wrong!!
Yes I saw what goes on in training And I do not want to be M G. And I do think of what to write.
Those sort of comments is why I have left.
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Post by pinewalker on Nov 20, 2022 15:48:55 GMT
OK so I was wrong!! Yes I saw what goes on in training And I do not want to be M G. And I do think of what to write. Those sort of comments is why I have left. I hope you stick with us. A fans forum is all about opinions. That means you can post criticism of other posters, the players, management, tactics or even training grounds - but be prepared to face the flak and perhaps retract or amplify your opinions. What you need to ignore is the response from the forum Taliban - who are the people who respond "you are not allowed to write that". Don't let them bully you off the forum.
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Post by markf on Nov 20, 2022 16:17:18 GMT
I think SUFC deserve a bit of slack considering the sudden elevation in status and some of us older lags can recall far leaner times than being experienced at present. Why cut the club some slack? Why are they/we ‘different’ from any other League Two team? If we want to dine at the ‘big boys’ table then we need to accept the ‘big boy’ terms, which includes an influx of new supporters and some of the baggage that goes with it - which includes a less genteel and respectful way from some supporters and a more hectoring, questioning dialogue. My attendance at Prem, Championship and League 1 and 2 games can vouch for the fact that our support is extraordinary polite and accommodating - my trawl through the lower pyramid also bears this out, so when the ground beneath our feet starts to rumble it is understandable that there is discomfort- however, as I said, it does go with the new territory. it is also easy to draw up an ‘us’ (pre- glory Dos days) and ‘them’ (League Two) line in the supporter base. Just because my first game at GGL was in the mid-70s gives me no more right to attend or comment on a match than someone who has just seen us for the first time this season. Some could argue that their view in the cold light of a new day might have more clarity than a view through rose-tinted glasses. And this exchange between us is good! A slight disagreement that is honestly, and respectfully, discussed. Why would I cut the club some slack? Purely on a financial basis. We probably already have one of the lowest playing budgets in L2. Add that to the fact that none of the other clubs are having to shell out considerable sums for obligatory (to stay in the efl) infrastructure projects. That's why.
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Post by oohaah on Nov 20, 2022 16:59:23 GMT
Amusing that someone on their forum still managed to refer to us as a 'pub team', even after coming off worst to us during our biggest ever injury crisis. People are still going to be calling us a 'pub team' if we spend 10 consecutive seasons in L2, aren't they? A Saudi controlled 'pub team' now thats a thought ?
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Post by kpinwp on Nov 20, 2022 17:12:55 GMT
A Saudi controlled 'pub team' now thats a thought ? Yeah, I didn't quite get that.
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Post by kpinwp on Nov 20, 2022 17:44:56 GMT
I think, as regards debate on the forum, it can just be a matter of patience. Some fans have a tendancy to post the same questions repeatedly, regardless of the replies that are being made to those questions. It's as though they can only see their questions. At which point (sometimes sooner, sometimes later) various other fans can lose a little patience in their manner of reply.
But, that doesn't mean anyone should leave the forum. If you get a sharp reply, you can just ignore it. I think the points that backhome2016 made were also pertinent. The influx of new support, due to us being a slightly bigger club now, will tend to make for a less genteel atmosphere when it comes to supporters actively criticising the club. We might all do well to grow thicker hides about that. And it is also the case that those newer supporters' views are every bit as valid as those of us who've been around for a while. Even if it's more a case of convincing your head of that fact, not your heart.
Additionally, we do only have one actual troll. And not a particularly regular one.
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Post by Andy K on Nov 20, 2022 18:23:30 GMT
All the people who post on this board (unless they are trolls or the occasional away fan) are Sutton supporters. I first went to watch Sutton with my uncle in 1965 when I was 6 years old - and I've followed them ever since. I was thinking earlier this morning that If Matt is still with us at the end of the season (and I very much hope he will be) we will have had two managers in 15 years - and that is something to be very proud of. However, anyone using this board ought to be able to express views without being attacked by 'the usual suspects'. IS4 has been driven off this board in recent months because of this - and regardless of whether you agreed with his views or not, he clearly cared about the club. Surely the point of a board like this is that people who all care about the club and ultimately want the best for the club, will have different views? Attacked by the usual suspects? Anyone one here can post their opinion, as anyone on here can disagree with that opinion. If a post on here is way in the realms of fantasy, it's totally right that any poster points that out. I hope you realise your paragraph above is hypocritical. You're basically saying that people are allowed to post stuff, but others don't have the right to reply. That's not right. Every single person does, as does every single person doesn't have to. Seriously, if you think any of this is an "attack", then you need to grow a thicker skin. And if anyone who posts on here can't take a difference of opinion, or in the case of is4, a clear indication of nonsense in that respect (to which I clearly stated how) then it's up to them whether to choose to continue or not. I've disgareed with as many as I've agreed with, but every single time i've qualified it. Just like I did with your post.
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Post by brisfitboy on Nov 20, 2022 18:23:58 GMT
? Yeah, I didn't quite get that. Pub, Arabs, booze 🥃 that’s it in a nutshell(or glass)
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Post by amberchoc on Nov 20, 2022 19:24:25 GMT
I think, as regards debate on the forum, it can just be a matter of patience. Some fans have a tendancy to post the same questions repeatedly, regardless of the replies that are being made to those questions. It's as though they can only see their questions. At which point (sometimes sooner, sometimes later) various other fans can lose a little patience in their manner of reply. But, that doesn't mean anyone should leave the forum. If you get a sharp reply, you can just ignore it. I think the points that backhome2016 made were also pertinent. The influx of new support, due to us being a slightly bigger club now, will tend to make for a less genteel atmosphere when it comes to supporters actively criticising the club. We might all do well to grow thicker hides about that. And it is also the case that those newer supporters' views are every bit as valid as those of us who've been around for a while. Even if it's more a case of convincing your head of that fact, not your heart. Additionally, we do only have one actual troll. And not a particularly regular one. I never considered Billy as a troll as such. I would give him the benefit of enormous doubt and consider him as rather old-fashioned in his thinking (he often referred to himself as a bit of a dinosaur). The ‘sharp’ replies he got, to use your term, long pre-dates our entry into the Football League, so I don’t think there’s any correlation with the influx of new supporters. I learnt quite quickly that you need a pretty thick skin to post opinions on this forum because you risk being riddled with bullets by those with a machine-gun mouth!
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Post by davep on Nov 20, 2022 19:45:38 GMT
I am not a hypocrite - and I agree that if people post on this board, others have the right to reply.
I used the word 'attack' in two senses (and it may not have been the best choice of word to use):
1) Inappropriately harsh or rude responses. I don't consider that Andy K's response to me today (or any of his posts that I can recall) fall into this category. I can not say that of some other posters on this board (although they are quite few in number);
2) Responses that are made in response to anything that could be perceived to be in any way critical of the club. I would put Andy K's response to me on this thread in that category of 'attack' (and he is not alone in this regard) - and based on other posts on this thread, others recognise this 'theme' as well.
My earlier post appears to have sparked a debate about something other than yesterday's game - for which I apologise.
Time to leave this board and this debate for now to deal with rather more important matters.
I wish a good evening to all - whether they agree with my views or not.
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Post by kpinwp on Nov 20, 2022 20:26:56 GMT
I think, as regards debate on the forum, it can just be a matter of patience. Some fans have a tendancy to post the same questions repeatedly, regardless of the replies that are being made to those questions. It's as though they can only see their questions. At which point (sometimes sooner, sometimes later) various other fans can lose a little patience in their manner of reply. But, that doesn't mean anyone should leave the forum. If you get a sharp reply, you can just ignore it. I think the points that backhome2016 made were also pertinent. The influx of new support, due to us being a slightly bigger club now, will tend to make for a less genteel atmosphere when it comes to supporters actively criticising the club. We might all do well to grow thicker hides about that. And it is also the case that those newer supporters' views are every bit as valid as those of us who've been around for a while. Even if it's more a case of convincing your head of that fact, not your heart. Additionally, we do only have one actual troll. And not a particularly regular one. I never considered Billy as a troll as such. I would give him the benefit of enormous doubt and consider him as rather old-fashioned in his thinking (he often referred to himself as a bit of a dinosaur). The ‘sharp’ replies he got, to use your term, long pre-dates our entry into the Football League, so I don’t think there’s any correlation with the influx of new supporters. I learnt quite quickly that you need a pretty thick skin to post opinions on this forum because you risk being riddled with bullets by those with a machine-gun mouth! Hm, the fact that despite all the many people that post on here you still knew who I was referring to tells its own story, I think. Going back to patience, you have more of it that I do. And good for you! But,'old-fashioned'? I'm 61 myself. I'm not sure older people should be able to use their age as an excuse for coming out with... certain kinds of things. It's not that hard to keep up with the world. It really isn't.
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