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Post by davethegrave on Aug 7, 2023 16:01:30 GMT
I think this needs its own thread rather than getting bogged down in specific match threads.
Yes I do welcome wasting time being added although I too was affected by the extra minutes added, especially with the train strike.
Instead though I think the referee should punish time wasters with yellow cards. Substitutions I'm sure could be made quicker, plus consistency with making replaced players go off at the closest point to the perimeter. Saturday's referee wasn't consistent with this. And goal celebrations whilst obviously spur of the moment excitement should be treated realistically.
Last season the clock would stop at 45 and 90 minutes but now they carry on which makes more sense. However on Saturday I never saw or heard how much stoppage time would be added. The PA system was worse than useless on Saturday where I was standing.
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Post by oohaah on Aug 7, 2023 16:51:51 GMT
The problem with cautioning players for many indiscretions is that the FA shot themselves in the foot years ago with the 'two yellow's equal a red' mentality. We all know what a straight red is, and the offences it should be awarded for, including persistence of the same infringement. So let's get rid of the second Red, allow referee's to issue yellow cards like confetti and see how many managers can have certain players on a one match ban every few games because they can't play within the rules.
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Post by markf on Aug 7, 2023 17:38:14 GMT
I have no issues with the issuing of yellow cards for blatant time wasting whether that be kicking the ball away or a keeper taking too long at a goal kick. That should act as a deterrent and also cut down on added time.
Two yellows = red is fine too. We don't need to over complicate.
The new 30 second rule for a player needing treatment when no free kick is given should stop the feigning of injury. So good too.
Goal celebrations probably add 45 seconds each to added time.
The nine minutes added in the first half was understandable as they took an age over the keeper substitution plus the physio was on as well.
The ten minutes in the second half seemed excessive though. I would have thought seven max. Ten seemed pedantic.
Players and managers have suggested the potential extra twenty minutes could cause injuries. That maybe the case, but had their, in some cases, excessive so called professionalism not happened like it has then there would be no need for law revision.
That said, if referees had clamped down on all this stuff rather than just ignoring it for years, again, no revision would have been necessary. Booking a keeper in the 88th minute after ignoring the time wasting for the previous 30 is hardly exerting authority.
That extra ten minutes on Saturday was completely irrelevant to the actual outcome. It was pointless. As ever in this world we go from one extreme to another.
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Post by kpinwp on Aug 7, 2023 18:10:18 GMT
The amount of extra time felt weird. But, for all of the reasons that Markf cites, it had to happen. The previous situation had become unsustainable.
Either players and mangement will have to learn the lesson and get things done in good time, within any given match (no great hopes, tbh), or we'll all have to get used to the extra stoppage time.
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Post by paz on Aug 7, 2023 18:53:59 GMT
10 seconds a sub is all you need for a player to leave and arrive on and off the pitch, create a limit, and If a player is injured and needs care, do as they used to and have him subbed or side-lined while the game continues. (unless its a head injury). And the FA should help finance more ball boys, as players often use the fact there are none to waste time.
I cant see this new idea working, we are basically looking at 53/55m a half now, its too much and will even effect fitness levels through the season as not all players are the ones wasting time. Goal celebrations have always usually been conformably covered by regular injury time, the rest of the issues they appear to now be addressing just need stricter measure's IMO. Players will soon learn.
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Post by opus2024 on Aug 7, 2023 19:11:19 GMT
Bit tongue in cheek but why not go back to one sub per team and players just shaking hands after a goal as they run back to centre circle.
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Post by kpinwp on Aug 7, 2023 19:29:38 GMT
On a more cynical level it occurs to me that, as one of the fittest teams in the division, this may occasionally work to our advantage.
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Post by garethl on Aug 7, 2023 19:46:20 GMT
Tongue in cheek it may be but back to 3 subs would help a bit. It was only brought in for the big clubs during covid and like always they’ve managed to get their way.
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Post by davethegrave on Aug 7, 2023 20:54:53 GMT
On a more cynical level it occurs to me that, as one of the fittest teams in the division, this may occasionally work to our advantage. Are we? Who says?
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Post by kpinwp on Aug 7, 2023 21:03:37 GMT
On a more cynical level it occurs to me that, as one of the fittest teams in the division, this may occasionally work to our advantage. Are we? Who says? Notts County fans, would be one example. Bet Matt says it, too. On the quiet.
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Post by os on Aug 7, 2023 22:38:26 GMT
I think its called 'time wasting' when you are losing and 'game management' when you are winning
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Post by oohaah on Aug 8, 2023 7:24:37 GMT
10 seconds a sub is all you need for a player to leave and arrive on and off the pitch, create a limit, and If a player is injured and needs care, do as they used to and have him subbed or side-lined while the game continues. (unless its a head injury). And the FA should help finance more ball boys, as players often use the fact there are none to waste time. I cant see this new idea working, we are basically looking at 53/55m a half now, its too much and will even effect fitness levels through the season as not all players are the ones wasting time. Goal celebrations have always usually been conformably covered by regular injury time, the rest of the issues they appear to now be addressing just need stricter measure's IMO. Players will soon learn. I remember a World Cup match a few years ago when a team scored in the first of four minutes of stoppage time. The whole squad came on to the pitch to celebrate the event and it took just over two minutes for the referee to restore order and get the game underway again. The result? No additional stoppage time added on. Hopefully if that happens in the future that time WILL be added on, plus an extra minute to account for the multiple booking issued to the non playing squad members and management team.
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Post by Del on Aug 8, 2023 7:37:38 GMT
10 extra minutes added on to the second half was ridiculous and over the top in my opinion. Who was wasting time on Saturday ?
Is this what the supporters really want. I don't believe so.
Just read an article about the Charity Shield game and a lot of supporters are calling all these extra cards and minutes added on as nonsense.
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Post by oohaah on Aug 8, 2023 7:58:02 GMT
Two yellows = red is fine too. We don't need to over complicate. I agree with everything you say apart from this - Where is the over complication?
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Post by paz on Aug 8, 2023 8:50:20 GMT
10 seconds a sub is all you need for a player to leave and arrive on and off the pitch, create a limit, and If a player is injured and needs care, do as they used to and have him subbed or side-lined while the game continues. (unless its a head injury). And the FA should help finance more ball boys, as players often use the fact there are none to waste time. I cant see this new idea working, we are basically looking at 53/55m a half now, its too much and will even effect fitness levels through the season as not all players are the ones wasting time. Goal celebrations have always usually been conformably covered by regular injury time, the rest of the issues they appear to now be addressing just need stricter measure's IMO. Players will soon learn. I remember a World Cup match a few years ago when a team scored in the first of four minutes of stoppage time. The whole squad came on to the pitch to celebrate the event and it took just over two minutes for the referee to restore order and get the game underway again. The result? No additional stoppage time added on. Hopefully if that happens in the future that time WILL be added on, plus an extra minute to account for the multiple booking issued to the non playing squad members and management team.
Of course, and the reff should have added a substantial amount of injury time there. I have no issues of added time if stuff like that goes on. But it appears the new way takes account of everything.. it has not been unknown for 8 or 9 mins to be added with lots of disruptions. But against County we had 9m in the first half while there was no real major issues. A minute a goal and sending off would be 3m, stick another min on and you still have 4 mins, which would usually be seen as alot for first half injury time.
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