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Post by suttonpodcast on Sept 6, 2024 14:08:44 GMT
What rights, exactly? As a woman it wouldn't even occur to me that my rights were being challenged in any way should I be asked to include a trans woman in my women's team. What aspects of women's rights are you suggesting this affects? I have been giving this a little thought, what about actually letting the women and girls who play these sports vote on whether they would like transgender females to be included in their sport? 9 pages into this thread of men saying what they think is best for women before it finally occurs to one that maybe someone should ask those women what they think. Which, by the way, I have been saying in my posts throughout. I wouldn't bother asking, simply because no one will believe the answers. I had one of the delightful anti's telling me they wouldn't do a survey because the FA already did one and the players were to scared to answer - I felt no need to look up the result of said survey but I suspect it was in support based on that interaction. |
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Post by newfmkr on Sept 6, 2024 14:29:55 GMT
What rights, exactly? As a woman it wouldn't even occur to me that my rights were being challenged in any way should I be asked to include a trans woman in my women's team. What aspects of women's rights are you suggesting this affects? I have been giving this a little thought, what about actually letting the women and girls who play these sports vote on whether they would like transgender females to be included in their sport? 9 pages into this thread of men saying what they think is best for women before it finally occurs to one that maybe someone should ask those women what they think. Which, by the way, I have been saying in my posts throughout. apart from when you said girls who were uneasy about elements should just educate themselves and not be heard |
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Post by boomboom on Sept 6, 2024 14:51:48 GMT
What rights, exactly? As a woman it wouldn't even occur to me that my rights were being challenged in any way should I be asked to include a trans woman in my women's team. What aspects of women's rights are you suggesting this affects? 9 pages into this thread of men saying what they think is best for women before it finally occurs to one that maybe someone should ask those women what they think. Which, by the way, I have been saying in my posts throughout. apart from when you said girls who were uneasy about elements should just educate themselves and not be heardIs this the quote you're referring? Where does it say "girls...should not be heard"? "And if my daughters tell me they're uncomfortable, then I would say my role as a parent is to listen to them about exactly why they are uncomfortable, validate their feelings (feelings are always valid, even if they might change once the person understands the situation better) and if necessary either educate them about it or take appropriate action to keep them safe." |
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Post by newfmkr on Sept 6, 2024 14:56:32 GMT
apart from when you said girls who were uneasy about elements should just educate themselves and not be heardIs this the quote you're referring? Where does it say "girls...should not be heard"? "And if my daughters tell me they're uncomfortable, then I would say my role as a parent is to listen to them about exactly why they are uncomfortable, validate their feelings (feelings are always valid, even if they might change once the person understands the situation better) and if necessary either educate them about it or take appropriate action to keep them safe."more the bit about they should just educate themselves, and then compared them to racists |
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Post by boomboom on Sept 6, 2024 14:56:45 GMT
There's a near boundless opportunity, here, for us to all adopt entrenched positions / lecture each other. But let's not do it? One way or the other the article means us no good. If it divides us up then it's succeeding in one of its purposes. A very perceptive post with the benefit of hindsight and it looks like it is succeeding. The thread appears to have ceased to serve any useful purpose, especially with disinformation being spread. |
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Post by suttonpodcast on Sept 6, 2024 15:11:27 GMT
There's a near boundless opportunity, here, for us to all adopt entrenched positions / lecture each other. But let's not do it? One way or the other the article means us no good. If it divides us up then it's succeeding in one of its purposes. A very perceptive post with the benefit of hindsight and it looks like it is succeeding. The thread appears to have ceased to serve any useful purpose, especially with disinformation being spread. Agree. I will add, I haven't even met Blair and she could be an awful person, but one of our players is being relentlessly bullied and that is an injustice in my eye - especially when done by a so called professional stirring up with a 'story' filled with lies & half truths. Take all those away and you are left with nothing as far as I can see. I have my opinions and I do respect everyones, but I would ask they are based in truth - they have been lots of conversation about this subject by people with access to a lot more info than you or I have. The decision they have made is the current situation. I genuinely hope in all this I have not tried to sway anyone to do anything other than look deeper (but there has been some venting in some places). |
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