billy
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Post by billy on Sept 5, 2024 22:40:28 GMT
Great song Billy, but has nothing to do with this discussion and therefore should have no place on this thread. I beg to differ.Can we agree to disagree? Thankyou. |
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Post by os on Sept 5, 2024 22:54:29 GMT
I have been giving this a little thought, what about actually letting the women and girls who play these sports vote on whether they would like transgender females to be included in their sport?
Something I noticed from the club statement which was of course correct in backing their manager. Is that it seemed very defensive from the off 'not accepting discrimination' etc, where was that pointed? I am not sure who was aware of the signing before the Ebbsfleet match had been called off.
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Post by dundas on Sept 5, 2024 23:42:18 GMT
3. Allow Transgender women to play in men's football. [br I don't believe this is necessary to codify as any presumptive ban is likely to be de facto rather than de jure? I think this applies ot a lot of "men's" sport but may have been changed. On another note, it's also good to see the malapromism altered here so it's no longer an ostensible synonym for frosty. |
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kpinwp
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Post by kpinwp on Sept 5, 2024 23:47:45 GMT
I have been giving this a little thought, what about actually letting the women and girls who play these sports vote on whether they would like transgender females to be included in their sport? Something I noticed from the club statement which was of course correct in backing their manager. Is that it seemed very defensive from the off 'not accepting discrimination' etc, where was that pointed? I am not sure who was aware of the signing before the Ebbsfleet match had been called off. The 'not accepting discrimination' part may have been pointed at the Telegraph/Mail piece(s) which, though after the fact, were very much part of a general anti-trans aganda. And, of course, dragging us into it, which is aggravating to say the least. |
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kpinwp
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Post by kpinwp on Sept 6, 2024 0:01:51 GMT
3. Allow Transgender women to play in men's football. [br I don't believe this is necessary to codify as any presumptive ban is likely to be de facto rather than de jure? I think this applies ot a lot of "men's" sport but may have been changed. On another note, it's also good to see the malapromism altered here so it's no longer an ostensible synonym for frosty. AI? |
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Post by newfmkr on Sept 6, 2024 2:18:42 GMT
I have been giving this a little thought, what about actually letting the women and girls who play these sports vote on whether they would like transgender females to be included in their sport? Something I noticed from the club statement which was of course correct in backing their manager. Is that it seemed very defensive from the off 'not accepting discrimination' etc, where was that pointed? I am not sure who was aware of the signing before the Ebbsfleet match had been called off. because a no vote could be deemed as being transphobic, and then you're lumped in with racists and labelled a bigot, when all you might be voting for is to keep girls sport for biological girls. Some will have you believe "you're either for us or against us" |
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Post by boomboom on Sept 6, 2024 8:10:12 GMT
I have been giving this a little thought, what about actually letting the women and girls who play these sports vote on whether they would like transgender females to be included in their sport? Something I noticed from the club statement which was of course correct in backing their manager. Is that it seemed very defensive from the off 'not accepting discrimination' etc, where was that pointed? I am not sure who was aware of the signing before the Ebbsfleet match had been called off. Inclusion isn't a new issue and the FA already has an established position on it. I can't therefore see it organising a vote unless there's a groundswell from the players themselves. That doesn't appear to be the case. Rather, the noise is coming overwhelmingly from those totally unaffected by the rules. In the same way, I don't expect, nor have any desire for, our Board to canvas my views on the appointment of Lucy and the recruitment of Blair. It appears that the signing would have been in the public domain following, if not before, the Haywards Heath match: Upon Hamilton’s signing, Sutton United expressed their enthusiasm: “We are delighted to welcome Blair Hamilton to Sutton United. She made an impressive debut, securing a clean sheet in a commanding 6-0 victory, previously representing Hastings United and Saltdean, as well as the England Universities team.”link here
It's possible that news of the signing appeared on various social media platforms, perhaps including Blair's. Blair is listed on the club's website. Given the above, it shouldn't be difficult to draw one's own conclusions about the characteristics of those, though not necessarily specific individuals, who were aware. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2024 12:17:31 GMT
So is supporting womens rights transphobic then?🤔 I mean that’s sexist for a starters if there voice are not to be heard.
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Post by sallycat on Sept 6, 2024 12:33:21 GMT
What rights, exactly? As a woman it wouldn't even occur to me that my rights were being challenged in any way should I be asked to include a trans woman in my women's team. What aspects of women's rights are you suggesting this affects? I have been giving this a little thought, what about actually letting the women and girls who play these sports vote on whether they would like transgender females to be included in their sport? 9 pages into this thread of men saying what they think is best for women before it finally occurs to one that maybe someone should ask those women what they think. Which, by the way, I have been saying in my posts throughout. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2024 12:38:22 GMT
So why weren’t the Sutton United ladies team where never asked
If they were happy with the inclusion of a transgender player then?
Is that why most of the Sutton United ladies players have jumped ship and gone to Carshalton ladies as there voices were never heard.
This is the same problem Dulwich Hamlet ladies are going through.
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Post by sallycat on Sept 6, 2024 13:07:30 GMT
What makes you think they haven't had any opportunities to express their views? Because they haven't passed the information on to you?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2024 13:46:54 GMT
Well they would have stayed otherwise🤔.Hence why they jumped ship? Hence why the domino effect caused the abandonment of Sundays game?
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Post by suttonpodcast on Sept 6, 2024 14:05:49 GMT
Well they would have stayed otherwise🤔.Hence why they jumped ship? Hence why the domino effect caused the abandonment of Sundays game? Are you breaking the news that Steve Morison must also be transgender? Because the men's first team have more of a turnover of players. It is what happens with a new manager, Will had the same when he took over. Don't believe that the players refused to play, they were on the way to the ground and had every intention of player - how do I know?Well I asked, and was also added that they are ALL 100% behind Lucy & Blair. Ask me anything about the absurd article and I will debunk it for you because almost every part of it is a lie or half truth taken out of context. I am absolutely delighted though that so many people (again not just on here) are showing such support for the women's game, attendances must surely increase and we will see an end to the awful misogynist social media posts mocking them for playing. |
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Post by davef on Sept 6, 2024 14:06:00 GMT
Please don’t spread disinformation.
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Post by steveb on Sept 6, 2024 14:07:47 GMT
Well they would have stayed otherwise🤔.Hence why they jumped ship? Hence why the domino effect caused the abandonment of Sundays game? How many players have “jumped ship?” Can you say what ones please? |
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