Gareth
1st team Player
Goon
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Post by Gareth on Sept 30, 2007 12:47:34 GMT
If players don't like opinions of supporters, then they shouldn't read this board. I don't like the Daily Mirror's opinions, so I don't read that. Quite simple really.
This message board is a voicebox for all supporters. People are entitled to vent their frustrations and anger on here. If everyone pretended that things are perectly rosy at the moment, I'd be extremely concerned. 'Cos things are far from being perfectly rosy. That, I'm afraid, is a fact.
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Post by Nick the Greek/The Speshul One on Sept 30, 2007 12:50:12 GMT
Yep. That's really going to help! Some of the players read this, you know. There IS a problem with confidence(do you really think they enjoy looking like "wankers"?), and reading stuff like that is hardly going to improve matters. OK sometimes we need to let off steam, totally understandable, but personally I prefer to do that in the pub because I think doing it on a public forum can only stir up sh*t and make matters worse. Sorry Sal, but that is absolute rubbish. This is a fans forum not a players forum so if they don't like what they are reading I suggest they stop reading the message board. There is no way anyone should curb what they want to say because they are risking upsetting one of the little darlings. They are grown men who pick up a wage to perform if they aren't doing that and can't handle a bit of stick then they are in the wrong business. It would be nice if we gave our players a reason to enjoy playing for Sutton. So you don't think them our hard earn money is enough? Sorry but they are getting paid to do this. They should give something back like regular performances that makes us happy to be Sutton fans.
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Post by sallycat on Sept 30, 2007 13:05:13 GMT
If it's only the money that makes them want to play for Sutton, then even more is wrong than we thought. OK, so it's a fair point that if they don't like it they don't have to read it, but my point is not that we should stop supporters from being negative on here. You have a perfect right to be as negative as you wish. My point was that if we at least made an effort to be more positive then we might help the players to be a bit more positive in turn Nobody HAS to be like that. It's bloody hard to keep your chin up at a time like this, and I only wanted to try and help everyone do that. This won't put me off. No, things are not rosy, which is exactly why I'm making so much of an effort.
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amberay
Youth Team Player
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Post by amberay on Sept 30, 2007 13:19:44 GMT
Lets hope our players give their replies to any negative responses on the playing field.
Thats where it will count and we will all take notice!
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Post by sallycat on Sept 30, 2007 13:22:42 GMT
Absolutely. They have the potential to prove themselves once and for all.
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Post by ewellchris on Sept 30, 2007 13:42:31 GMT
" My point was that if we at least made an effort to be more positive "
What is there to be positive about? I have only been coming for 5 years but the team seems to be getting worse each year.
I don't think the players as a whole are good enough - a few are individually I don't think the manager is good enough
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Post by sallycat on Sept 30, 2007 13:50:31 GMT
There is plenty to be positive about if we make it that way. If we choose to be negative, then there is nothing to be positive about. What's positive for me is that I can do something about this as part of a group of supporters. It might sound stupid to you but that's what keeps me going. Personally I think our players are good enough and I look forward to seeing them start to win.
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Post by os on Sept 30, 2007 15:39:51 GMT
This is a fans forum and within reason people should be able to state their views, mine is the management have been found wanting and failed to deliver in any department. I do not think they have advanced the club since taking over from JR who I think would have done a better job to date certainly no worse. For players and managers there is always another club for us the supporters this is it and coupled with the huge amount of money we spend we deserve to make our thoughts known. I state what many have above I think the squad is decent but confidence is low and that buck stops with the management for which they are paid. There are several reasons to point the finger at the management team and many have been mentioned over the past week or so with some odd decisions, not least the one to leave out Darius Charles from our Conference Sth back line yet he is able to command a starting place in Lge 2 Brentford's 1st team?
I will be here as many others will long after IH and Co have gone!!
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Post by sallycat on Sept 30, 2007 15:42:45 GMT
I apologise if my posts made it look like I don't think people should be allowed to state their views. This is not the case. Encouraging people to try to be positive isn't the same as telling them they're not allowed to say negative things about anyone; sorry if it came across that way.
I am 100% in favour of any criticism that is even remotely constructive.
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rich
Spectator
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Post by rich on Sept 30, 2007 16:09:03 GMT
I'm a forum watcher not a poster but I have been a Sutton watcher for a couple of decades now. Of course there are always going to be appalling and great results / runs of form - that's what makes it interesting.
The close season between the 2003/04 season and 2004/05 was pivotal time in U's future. I thought so at the time and I still think so in retrospect.
We had built a side capable of competing in the conference, with strength coming through the reserve and youth teams and really effective management. In that close season, either the club were going to assemble the investment to sustain that development, or they weren't. They didn't (I don't if they tried and failed or didn't try).
That really was a fork in the road. One road was retaining the calibre of staff and players we had, seeing good crowds and a gradual but consistent series of ground improvements. The other road is the one we are on now - a decline until we settle at a level we can realistically maintain.
In the last 2-3 years I think we've changed from a "good conf south side who would enjoy occasional seasons in the sun in the conference", into a "middling ryman side who will occasionally enjoy seasons in the conf south". As things are, Ryman is where we are going.
We can argue on this thread about 'management' of the situation - the non-playing staff or how fans try to manage the morale & performance of players - but that won't do anything about the 'structural' reality - we either invest adequately or go down a level.
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Post by Nick the Greek/The Speshul One on Sept 30, 2007 16:50:32 GMT
Rich, what if there isn't anything to invest?
We may have to go down a level because there may not be a pot of money to invest.
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Post by Andy K on Sept 30, 2007 16:56:29 GMT
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bh
1st team Player
Come on you Us
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Post by bh on Sept 30, 2007 17:06:00 GMT
At the end of last season I was confident that with a couple of additions to the squad we would have a fairly good season. We were progressing as a team and with one or two adjustments would be knocking on the door of the play offs.
What happened, the spine of the team disappeared. Ross, I know he was only on loan but what a signing, Ryan the old head at the back giving the younger members of the team advice and confidence in themselves. TQ no matter what you think of him as a mercenary there is skill and experience there. Last but by no means least one of the longest serving players, and perhaps the heartbeat of the team Matt left us. After loosing or releasing that lot we should have expected the team to struggle.
IH has tried to replace them but how do you replace the heart of the team when it's been ripped out. Not getting some luck at the start of the season has obviously knocked their confidence, and as has been said the only way we can really help is getting behind them. We could easily have been three up at half time yesterday if their 'keeper had not had a blinder, or a lot of luck for shots to hit his legs.
Maybe Sal's' idea of sitting the boys down and psycho - what-siting them may help. I for one think we should try anything.
Another problem appears that very little communication is going on between the club and it's supporters. I know the Management are all supporters and are feeling just as bad about the current situation as we are. But maybe a meet the Manager / Chairman evening should be held so that any constructive ideas, such as Sal's' could be raised, and they can advise us of their plans for improving the present crisis.
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Post by Amber Aleman on Sept 30, 2007 17:41:14 GMT
I've posted on here before that I don't think the squad we have at the moment is strong enough for Blue Square South - so it's unsurprising that we've lost so many matches and that confidence is low. But we were in a smilar situation a year ago - despite having won our opening match we struggled for form and were third from bottom at the end of September. IH strengthened the side, bringing in players like Ross Gaynor, Craig Tanner and Warren McBean, results improved, and in March we nudged into the top half of the table. Something similar needs to happen this time around.
That said, yesterday we were clearly a better side than Woodford, and it's frustrating that we weren't able to turn dominance into a win. It doesn't help the mood of supporters that those who want to see the replay have to arrange an evening trip to deepest Northants at short notice. (I'm still unsure whether I'll make it up there.) But if our players approach the replay in the right frame of mind then we ought to win.
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Post by Nick the Greek/The Speshul One on Sept 30, 2007 20:53:58 GMT
Of course we should win the replay but it isn't just about this one result.
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