Rambo
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Post by Rambo on Mar 1, 2021 17:08:55 GMT
Hi JR, I got the £100k figure ( if they don't continue the season ) from the King's Lynn Official Site, and thought I'd 'mis-read' what I read £300k in the Daily Mail today ( a quote supposedly from their Chairman ), but having read it again, that larger figure is, as you say to complete the season.
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Post by localboy86 on Mar 1, 2021 18:11:33 GMT
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Post by Andy K on Mar 1, 2021 18:28:20 GMT
There is a right way and a wrong way to do these things. Kings Lynn have done it the right way. Dover are a disgrace. |
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Post by localboy86 on Mar 1, 2021 18:56:06 GMT
I haven’t seen a recent update re: Dover - surely they must be close to getting expelled from the league if they continue to un-fulfil games.
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kpinwp
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Post by kpinwp on Mar 1, 2021 19:39:34 GMT
I haven’t seen a recent update re: Dover - surely they must be close to getting expelled from the league if they continue to un-fulfil games. That would seem entirely appropriate. |
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Post by kpinwp on Mar 1, 2021 19:43:04 GMT
It will be interesting to see how far the league positions shift if (or when) the Dover results are expunged. Eleven teams drop three points and one team drops one point. If I've counted that rightly.
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Post by sallycat on Mar 1, 2021 20:00:52 GMT
I haven’t seen a recent update re: Dover - surely they must be close to getting expelled from the league if they continue to un-fulfil games. That would seem entirely appropriate. The problem with doing that, as some have already pointed out, is that it sets a precedent (which we don't really have since the entire situation is unprecedented). That means the league would be forced to chuck out anyone else who follows suit, and since nobody's coming up, I expect they would rather wait to make sure we have enough clubs left for next season before announcing anything like that. |
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Post by Jared on Mar 1, 2021 20:02:11 GMT
In terms of teams around us if Dover are expelled and their records expunged Torquay would lose 3 points (and 2 goal difference ‘points’) Stockport would lose 3 points (and 3 goal difference ‘points’) and Wrexham would lose 3 points (and 2 goal difference ‘points’).
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Post by Jared on Mar 1, 2021 20:09:02 GMT
That would seem entirely appropriate. The problem with doing that, as some have already pointed out, is that it sets a precedent (which we don't really have since the entire situation is unprecedented). That means the league would be forced to chuck out anyone else who follows suit, and since nobody's coming up, I expect they would rather wait to make sure we have enough clubs left for next season before announcing anything like that. I would imagine that the league may consider that expelling a club from the league may be an effective deterrent against other teams choosing to follow Dover. More clubs choosing to stop playing now would properly throw the rest of the league into (even more) chaos |
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kpinwp
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Post by kpinwp on Mar 1, 2021 20:12:29 GMT
That would seem entirely appropriate. The problem with doing that, as some have already pointed out, is that it sets a precedent (which we don't really have since the entire situation is unprecedented). That means the league would be forced to chuck out anyone else who follows suit, and since nobody's coming up, I expect they would rather wait to make sure we have enough clubs left for next season before announcing anything like that. Appreciated. But, if they don't do it that also sets an unfortuante precedent. Which is that clubs can make unilateral decisions not to play without full sanctions being levied against them. As to the situation being unprecented, I do take the point. But the season was begun with the agreement of all of the clubs in what was already a highly unusual and potentailly very unstable situation. Uncertainly and problems were always on the cards. |
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Post by Stewart on Mar 1, 2021 20:24:39 GMT
The problem with doing that, as some have already pointed out, is that it sets a precedent (which we don't really have since the entire situation is unprecedented). That means the league would be forced to chuck out anyone else who follows suit, and since nobody's coming up, I expect they would rather wait to make sure we have enough clubs left for next season before announcing anything like that. Appreciated. But, if they don't do it that also sets an unfortuante precedent. Which is that clubs can make unilateral decisions not to play without full sanctions being levied against them. As to the situation being unprecented, I do take the point. But the season was begun with the agreement of all of the clubs in what was already a highly unusual and potentailly very unstable situation. Uncertainly and problems were always on the cards. Another option is to give clubs who don’t fulfil fixtures a points deduction at the start of the new season. Maybe three points for every missed game. |
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jr
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Post by jr on Mar 1, 2021 21:34:15 GMT
Relegation isn’t off the table. Meetings are going on about how the 18 clubs in the North and South can complete the season. They’re hoping to have an answer this week. This then may pave the way for promotion and relegation. Good luck with sorting that out!
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Post by sallycat on Mar 1, 2021 21:55:25 GMT
The problem with doing that, as some have already pointed out, is that it sets a precedent (which we don't really have since the entire situation is unprecedented). That means the league would be forced to chuck out anyone else who follows suit, and since nobody's coming up, I expect they would rather wait to make sure we have enough clubs left for next season before announcing anything like that. Appreciated. But, if they don't do it that also sets an unfortuante precedent. Which is that clubs can make unilateral decisions not to play without full sanctions being levied against them. As to the situation being unprecented, I do take the point. But the season was begun with the agreement of all of the clubs in what was already a highly unusual and potentailly very unstable situation. Uncertainly and problems were always on the cards. I'm not sure I necessarily agree that not chucking them out now does set a precedent. The league could announce now that any club refusing to fulfill its fixtures may be expelled and have its record expunged at the end of the season and then do that if a load of other clubs haven't gone down the same route. Or announce other sanctions that don't affect the entire league in a way that having to play with a very reduced number of clubs next season might do, like Stewart's point about points deductions. I certainly wouldn't advocate for them to do nothing. And I don't know if expelling them now would be an effective deterrent to stop other clubs doing the same thing. The other clubs also know that if enough of them refuse to complete their fixtures, the league will be in a very difficult position where it can't throw them all out and maintain a viable competition. If we'd managed to finish last season they could consider something like promoting last season's losing North/South playoff finalists to replace expelled clubs, but we didn't so they can't. |
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Post by kpinwp on Mar 1, 2021 22:15:45 GMT
Appreciated. But, if they don't do it that also sets an unfortuante precedent. Which is that clubs can make unilateral decisions not to play without full sanctions being levied against them. As to the situation being unprecented, I do take the point. But the season was begun with the agreement of all of the clubs in what was already a highly unusual and potentailly very unstable situation. Uncertainly and problems were always on the cards. I'm not sure I necessarily agree that not chucking them out now does set a precedent. The league could announce now that any club refusing to fulfill its fixtures may be expelled and have its record expunged at the end of the season and then do that if a load of other clubs haven't gone down the same route. Or announce other sanctions that don't affect the entire league in a way that having to play with a very reduced number of clubs next season might do, like Stewart's point about points deductions. I certainly wouldn't advocate for them to do nothing. And I don't know if expelling them now would be an effective deterrent to stop other clubs doing the same thing. The other clubs also know that if enough of them refuse to complete their fixtures, the league will be in a very difficult position where it can't throw them all out and maintain a viable competition. If we'd managed to finish last season they could consider something like promoting last season's losing North/South playoff finalists to replace expelled clubs, but we didn't so they can't. Yes, I do see the awful complexity of where this could go to. But isn't holding potential sanctions over clubs' heads, that could only be applied if sufficient number of them don't break the rules, the worst of all worlds? That's one reason why I'm advocating strict adherenece to the normal rules. If the League is in a position where it's saying 'we're not following the rules because we can't follow the rules' then, basically, we just don't have rules. As an effective deterrent, here, they may not be strong. It's hard to tell. But there's a danger that the situation becomes one of de facto horse trading based on second guessing what clubs might do. I'm not quite sure what that is. But it's not a rule book. |
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Post by Del on Mar 1, 2021 22:32:06 GMT
I feel a little sad for Dover not having the finances to be able to play out their season and like all clubs they expected grants to continue or spectators to return.
Neither has happened, Dover haven't gone bust & have had to do what they have done to survive. Whether that means they will stay in the National League next season remains to be decided but is no fault of their supporters who could be the ultimate losers in this situation.
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