jr
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Post by jr on Oct 1, 2023 9:20:37 GMT
As for the game I thought we were excellent in the first half bar the first 10 minutes. I just wish Angol had got a better touch as he wasn’t offside but O’Brien was. The second one was much tighter. Definite pen but ref possibly unsighted in a congested penalty area.
We need to take our chances obviously.
That was never a free kick against Kizzi. It was definitely the other way round and Maguire had no idea about the goal. A tad unlucky.
After that there was no way back and we ran out of ideas.
We do need to start picking up points and I feel 3 of them will come on Tuesday against an out of sorts Salford. Let’s hope we can keep 11 men on the pitch this time.
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Post by Amber Aleman on Oct 1, 2023 10:20:04 GMT
I think a lot of the postings on here are from people that are completely ignorant of the facts. I know quite a few people that just won’t post on here anymore because of the absolute bollocks that is posted. It’s a shame as these people know a fair bit about the game and have been supporters of this great club for years All I'd add is the the standard of debate here is higher than on the Sutton Utd fans' Facebook page, where many of the comments, as well as the spelling and grammar, are cringeworthy.
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Post by boomboom on Oct 1, 2023 10:25:05 GMT
More importantly, we're pretty much past the point of no return this season. If we were going to change managers to improve our chances of staying up, that needed to be done before the Accrington match. It's hard to see how a new manager arriving two months into the season, and put in charge of a group of players he's not recruited, could make enough difference to pull the club away from the relegation zone.
I think the fairly straightforward answer to that is that a new manager would be expected to bring fresh ideas, a new perspective and a different way of doing things which might turn things round. The longer I've been following football the more it's become evident to me that managerial appointments are something of a lottery. Like financial investments, past managerial fortunes don't guarantee future success though they can be expected to provide some indication. We've been extremely fortunate with Matt (and Dos before him in a different way) as a "perfect fit" but what was a previously rather well-oiled machine hasn't been functioning properly for around twenty matches now. However, with three-quarters of the season remaining, there's still plenty of time for that to be put right by whoever is in charge. I'd be much more pessimistic if we had a team packed with over-the-hill journeymen and raw, inexperienced youngsters but that's far from the case. This time next week we might have a clearer idea as to where the season is heading. Fingers crossed!
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Post by Amber Aleman on Oct 1, 2023 10:41:31 GMT
Hartlepool and Rochdale both changed their managers during the first two months of last season, but, despite some improvement in results, still got relegated. Harrogate stuck with their manager and stayed up.
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Post by terrier on Oct 1, 2023 10:57:23 GMT
What shouldn’t be overlooked is that Sutton United is no longer “the new boys” in this league. Every other club in the league will have played Sutton now, mostly several times, and THEY will have put the time and effort in to learn how to play Sutton better. It’s called competition.
This club has to do the same, learn how to turn those draws and losses against the likes of Salford and Walsall in the last two seasons to wins, hopefully starting on Tuesday night. Let’s be honest, there is the very real possibility that Tuesday could see the lowest attendance at a game at GGL since Sutton entered L2. No matter, the crowd needs to become the 12th man on Tuesday and help the team all it can. The team needs to give its all (there were signs heads dropped in the second half yesterday), make their own luck and take any chances.
Remember, decisions will need to be made sometime during the season about what the club WILL do regarding ground improvements. League position is going to dictate (I assume) what that decision will be; and that decision will send a very strong and unequivocal message to the fans about what this club really sees its future to be: a professional L2 team with aspirations to improve on and off the club, or a club that will return to its roots.
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Post by halftimet on Oct 1, 2023 11:38:16 GMT
The club will have to have plans in pace to satisfy the EFL, possibly pay a deposit for the stand and a retention to contractors for availability in the close season. Likely to be a cancellation fee for both the stand and contractors too but the club and the EFL must assume it will stay up until mathematically impossible not to.
It would be a mockery if the covered terracing on the Collingwood road side was demolished and the new stand not built but it could happen.
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Post by banjo on Oct 1, 2023 12:04:55 GMT
Seen the high lights, and again our defending is poor. Just not picking up attacking players and to easy to run though the midfield. As Harry said in his interview, we were hard to beat with a high pressing and tight defence which now simply is not happening, as soon as we concede the first goal heads badly drop confidence I goes so the next two months are very important, because make no doubts we are in a relegation battle and it’s only the first of October, yet, so the players now must show the bottle and get us out of this situation we are in or it could be a long season.
I do still back Matt, but just found his interviews a bit frustrating only my opinion. ⚽️⚽️⚽️
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Post by paz on Oct 1, 2023 12:26:16 GMT
Regarding Matt,
As difficult as it can be sometimes to make changes, no one is bigger than a club, even little old Sutton. Regardless of what any player or manager has previously achieved. If they can't bring the results needed then it would be suicidal of the club not to seriously consider change. Any club right now would have a means in place to look out right now at possible replacements while considering a worst-case scenario outcome here. This is what Directors of Football usually do right? We are a league side so would have many interested people, experienced and young up and coming, who would snatch the job quickly.
With that all said, let's look at what Matt has done since this run of bad form. It began on the tail end of last season when we fell apart. Into the new season, he reacted by replacing the squad. Which is good leadership and management and a strong reaction, though was always going to take some work.
Into this season we have a mixture of more of the same as last season and a newer style with the ball on the ground a bit more. So I think on that basis we have seen action taken by Matt. While the form has still been terrible we have started to see a slight improvement, more so in our attacking play. He has also made some great signings, Coley, Patrick, N'Guessan (now looking at home in this league) and a few of the others are certainly not looking bad.
So for me Matt has done enough to suggest that in time we could start seeing some better results. The only issue we have from here is how far adrift will we sink before that happens, and will the dressing room remain united in that time? I think getting in a new man now would still take time to adjust to his staff and ways, so we could lose ground even further in that time. The biggest risk is that he loses the dressing room in which case I would support the decision to get a new guy in. As it stands that does not appear to be the case and for me the team, to their credit, are still working very hard.
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Post by os on Oct 1, 2023 18:19:14 GMT
Er (again). I haven't made any comparison. The poster I was replying to did that. All I posted was an observation about that post being factually incorrect. Jesus. I suspect by 'him' you mean me? I can't remember a match I have missed, yes I made an error regards the PV match, however I could have used MK as an example when we played a back 4 of Kizzi, Sowunmi, John, and Hart, and restricted MK to just 2 shots on target. No I don't think Milson is a natural left back, he is a midfielder who I would like to see play alongside Eastie. You all know my view on the position of DOF, (a view said to be bollocks) however the proof is in the pudding itself? Others have said that Sutton United is not a club that sacks its managers. That is old SUFC, this one is a professional league club with mouths to feed and investments to look after. I am absolutely sure that the board will not make decisions based on sentiment. It has to be remembered that the controlling interest is not the same as it was a decade ago. That is not a criticism, just a fact that we have businessmen in charge at the helm.
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Post by halftimet on Oct 1, 2023 19:00:58 GMT
You make a fair point. Some board members take a salary from the club that is likely to be in jeopardy if we are relegated.
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Post by Andy K on Oct 1, 2023 19:19:19 GMT
You make a fair point. Some board members take a salary from the club that is likely to be in jeopardy if we are relegated. Do board members get paid? I don't think they do by "being on the board" but may do if they have specific jobs assigned.
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Post by suttonpodcast on Oct 1, 2023 19:55:48 GMT
I know may be a moot point but this is the non penalty
Could have made it 1-1 at a time we were on top. Even with my most Amber tinted specs on if given against us I wouldn't argue.
This is the FK leading to second goal
Again should defend what follows and we may well have lost the game but don't we deserve a chance?
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markf
Top Performer
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Post by markf on Oct 1, 2023 20:31:48 GMT
Well, you certainly wasn't at Port Vale for a start. I am talking about a physical presence.
Your fixation with the DoF is quite amusing. You have to remember while he may have a specific remit that remit comes under the restraints of the club's finances. We all know we're battling against the odds on that one.
As regards to directors being employed by the club, there is as far as I am aware, now only one. And from what I can recall, the club, under EFL rules, had to appoint someone in that role and he was the obvious choice.
As for the businessmen who have a significant but not controlling shareholding, I think you maybe wide of the mark of why they invested in the club.
I am not aware of how many others are actually employed by the club at present but am aware that some of the roles are paid by other organisations.
Of course, should we lose our EFL status that funding maybe lost and those jobs may go, but no job, unless you're a public servant (not in all cases I would add), is guaranteed for life. Very difficult for those individuals but a fact of life.
The club has been run as more of a business since the early days of Dos. There obviously has had to be changes since our elevation but you talk as if the professional approach is something new, it isn't.
And to prove that point this club still relies on an army of volunteers and not just on matchdays.
Good to see you using the word bollocks. I am obviously not as rude as you originally suggested.
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markf
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Post by markf on Oct 1, 2023 20:36:27 GMT
Oh and for the final time if Rob Milsom isn't a left back, how did we win the National League with him as first choice in that position, finish 8th in the league and get to Wembley?
Jeez.
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Post by halftimet on Oct 2, 2023 8:53:26 GMT
You make a fair point. Some board members take a salary from the club that is likely to be in jeopardy if we are relegated. Do board members get paid? I don't think they do by "being on the board" but may do if they have specific jobs assigned. Yes some but not all do if they have specific jobs.
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