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Post by markf on Oct 2, 2023 9:09:49 GMT
I don't know everything about the club's structure but by referring to the board, I assume you mean the Directors?
As listed in the last home programme, I can see only one I know of being paid by the club.
Any other non football staff taking a wage are not on the board of directors.
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Post by Big Al on Oct 2, 2023 10:04:11 GMT
For my part I think Matt should be given some more time but that time can’t be limitless. The two most popular reasons for us not to change the manager seem to be 1) Loyalty because of what Matt has done for us in the past and 2) it will be difficult to find someone to replace him.
I don’t think either of these reasons are particularly valid. We are a professional football club and to coin a cliche it’s a results driven business. Our results both this season and at the end of last have been simply awful. Our league position says it all and I am getting fed up with hearing that it’s because of bad luck and bad refereeing
If it is decided that we need a change then we should not shy away from that simply because we don’t think there is anyone else out there - after all if our centre forward is not performing we don’t shy away from letting him go and bringing someone new in. So far as loyalty is concerned I don’t know Matt but my guess is he is a professional and if a better deal were to come up at a bigger club he would be faced with a decision to request to break his contract and move away. Our predicament is not dissimilar.
I therefore think the only reason he stays is if the Club believes he is turning things round or can at least do so before we are so far adrift relegation looks inevitable
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Post by garethl on Oct 2, 2023 10:17:23 GMT
For my part I think Matt should be given some more time but that time can’t be limitless. The two most popular reasons for us not to change the manager seem to be 1) Loyalty because of what Matt has done for us in the past and 2) it will be difficult to find someone to replace him. I don’t think either of these reasons are particularly valid. We are a professional football club and to coin a cliche it’s a results driven business. Our results both this season and at the end of last have been simply awful. Our league position says it all and I am getting fed up with hearing that it’s because of bad luck and bad refereeing If it is decided that we need a change then we should not shy away from that simply because we don’t think there is anyone else out there - after all if our centre forward is not performing we don’t shy away from letting him go and bringing someone new in. So far as loyalty is concerned I don’t know Matt but my guess is he is a professional and if a better deal were to come up at a bigger club he would be faced with a decision to request to break his contract and move away. Our predicament is not dissimilar. I therefore think the only reason he stays is if the Club believes he is turning things round or can at least do so before we are so far adrift relegation looks inevitable 3. Our current manager has consistently over achieved in terms of results versus reasonable expectations based on our financial resources and size of our fan base. Therefore is a bloody good manager we are incredibly lucky to have. With the record he has not a single chance we would have attracted him if it was after he has achieved what he has with another club.
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Post by youngman on Oct 2, 2023 12:59:55 GMT
I don't know everything about the club's structure but by referring to the board, I assume you mean the Directors? As listed in the last home programme, I can see only one I know of being paid by the club. Any other non football staff taking a wage are not on the board of directors.
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Post by paz on Oct 2, 2023 13:02:18 GMT
I know may be a moot point but this is the non penalty Could have made it 1-1 at a time we were on top. Even with my most Amber tinted specs on if given against us I wouldn't argue. This is the FK leading to second goal Again should defend what follows and we may well have lost the game but don't we deserve a chance? I would like to see our second dislowed goal as well. And their third looked offside to me. Refs don't seem to like us.
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Post by suttonpodcast on Oct 2, 2023 13:18:49 GMT
I have the 3rd one on my phone. TBH if wasn't offside was probably handball...
Drop me an email suttonpodcast@gmail.com and I will forward to you.
I also felt the 3rd may have been offside but thought I was already complaining too much....
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Post by pinewalker on Oct 2, 2023 14:02:11 GMT
There have been some posts in this thread about Milsom & left-back. I am reluctant to single out players about defeats but having been a left-back in my playing career may I suggest you look at the Crawley highlights. Wherein the left-back was Sam Hart #42. I have rarely seen a more inept display in that role. There is a huge vacant channel inside Hart and outside the left-side central defender. Omari Patrick is not tracking back to help - but I don't know if he was charged with doing so - maybe not. I will make a prediction. If Salford aren't managed by a dummy they will have picked up on this weakness. So if the Sutton lineup is unchanged Salford will attempt to attack down this channel.
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Post by boomboom on Oct 2, 2023 14:20:32 GMT
For my part I think Matt should be given some more time but that time can’t be limitless. The two most popular reasons for us not to change the manager seem to be 1) Loyalty because of what Matt has done for us in the past and 2) it will be difficult to find someone to replace him. I don’t think either of these reasons are particularly valid. We are a professional football club and to coin a cliche it’s a results driven business. Our results both this season and at the end of last have been simply awful. Our league position says it all and I am getting fed up with hearing that it’s because of bad luck and bad refereeing If it is decided that we need a change then we should not shy away from that simply because we don’t think there is anyone else out there - after all if our centre forward is not performing we don’t shy away from letting him go and bringing someone new in. So far as loyalty is concerned I don’t know Matt but my guess is he is a professional and if a better deal were to come up at a bigger club he would be faced with a decision to request to break his contract and move away. Our predicament is not dissimilar. I therefore think the only reason he stays is if the Club believes he is turning things round or can at least do so before we are so far adrift relegation looks inevitable 3. Our current manager has consistently over achieved in terms of results versus reasonable expectations based on our financial resources and size of our fan base. Therefore is a bloody good manager we are incredibly lucky to have. With the record he has not a single chance we would have attracted him if it was after he has achieved what he has with another club On the contrary, results have been extremely inconsistent. They were far, far above expectations in our first EFL season as has been well-documented. In stark contrast the last 20 matches have yielded a meagre 7 points.
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Post by garethl on Oct 2, 2023 14:24:15 GMT
3. Our current manager has consistently over achieved in terms of results versus reasonable expectations based on our financial resources and size of our fan base. Therefore is a bloody good manager we are incredibly lucky to have. With the record he has not a single chance we would have attracted him if it was after he has achieved what he has with another club On the contrary, results have been extremely inconsistent. They were far, far above expectations in our first EFL season as has been well-documented. In stark contrast the last 20 matches have yielded a meagre 7 points. I’d say they were well ahead of where we can reasonably expected last season as well. To my mind any season where we avoid relegation at this level (at this moment in time) is a very good one. Before we fell away last season we were starting to think play offs push again - extraordinary in my mind. Close to the biggest story in UK football. Perhaps pipped by Luton last season.
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Post by markf on Oct 2, 2023 14:37:27 GMT
There have been some posts in this thread about Milsom & left-back. I am reluctant to single out players about defeats but having been a left-back in my playing career may I suggest you look at the Crawley highlights. Wherein the left-back was Sam Hart #42. I have rarely seen a more inept display in that role. There is a huge vacant channel inside Hart and outside the left-side central defender. Omari Patrick is not tracking back to help - but I don't know if he was charged with doing so - maybe not. I will make a prediction. If Salford aren't managed by a dummy they will have picked up on this weakness. So if the Sutton lineup is unchanged Salford will attempt to attack down this channel. That is very harsh on Sam Hart. He was exposed particularly in the second half and had their players running at him. In the FL Paper, for what it's worth, he was given our highest mark out of 10 and I would argue he was indeed our best player over the 90.
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Post by brisfitboy on Oct 2, 2023 15:44:53 GMT
A few people around me during the match did say that Sam Hart was ineffectual during the 2nd half which I thought was unusual as I do rate him but in this instance had to agree.
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Post by baboonfish on Oct 2, 2023 15:50:23 GMT
There have been some posts in this thread about Milsom & left-back. I am reluctant to single out players about defeats but having been a left-back in my playing career may I suggest you look at the Crawley highlights. Wherein the left-back was Sam Hart #42. I have rarely seen a more inept display in that role. There is a huge vacant channel inside Hart and outside the left-side central defender. Omari Patrick is not tracking back to help - but I don't know if he was charged with doing so - maybe not. I will make a prediction. If Salford aren't managed by a dummy they will have picked up on this weakness. So if the Sutton lineup is unchanged Salford will attempt to attack down this channel. That is very harsh on Sam Hart. He was exposed particularly in the second half and had their players running at him. In the FL Paper, for what it's worth, he was given our highest mark out of 10 and I would argue he was indeed our best player over the 90. It's a fair point though, that the communication and teamwork between the players on the flanks has been way below what it was in previous seasons. I know most of the goals conceded have come through the middle, which has been a huge weakness, but I think a lot of our problems come from lack of defensive shielding from the front. Randall, Ajiboye and Enzio did a lot of defensive work. I dont think our current crop of wingers is nearly as hard working defensively. Having a proper defensive/pressing forward made everyone's life easier, however. Matt's whole pressing system has fallen apart without one, and his stubbornness about developing tactics to address this are the reason the fanbase is no longer united behind him. He's shown a really worrying lack of tactical flexibility, especially going back to a 4-4-2 again at Crawley. Against a possession based side, we needed to play 3 centre mids because we dont have a pressing forward or wide players who are great at tracking back. I am sure we'll play 4-4-2 on Tuesday but that might not be such a bad call against a side we need to beat. However, first and foremost we need to stop the goals going in.
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Post by steviem on Oct 2, 2023 16:17:11 GMT
That is very harsh on Sam Hart. He was exposed particularly in the second half and had their players running at him. In the FL Paper, for what it's worth, he was given our highest mark out of 10 and I would argue he was indeed our best player over the 90. It's a fair point though, that the communication and teamwork between the players on the flanks has been way below what it was in previous seasons. I know most of the goals conceded have come through the middle, which has been a huge weakness, but I think a lot of our problems come from lack of defensive shielding from the front. Randall, Ajiboye and Enzio did a lot of defensive work. I dont think our current crop of wingers is nearly as hard working defensively. Having a proper defensive/pressing forward made everyone's life easier, however. Matt's whole pressing system has fallen apart without one, and his stubbornness about developing tactics to address this are the reason the fanbase is no longer united behind him. He's shown a really worrying lack of tactical flexibility, especially going back to a 4-4-2 again at Crawley. Against a possession based side, we needed to play 3 centre mids because we dont have a pressing forward or wide players who are great at tracking back. I am sure we'll play 4-4-2 on Tuesday but that might not be such a bad call against a side we need to beat. However, first and foremost we need to stop the goals going in. I wasn't at Crawley but, against MK Dons, O'Brien was dropping into midfield, so we were 4-5-1 when defending. Did that not happen on Saturday?
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Post by os on Oct 2, 2023 19:19:25 GMT
There have been some posts in this thread about Milsom & left-back. I am reluctant to single out players about defeats but having been a left-back in my playing career may I suggest you look at the Crawley highlights. Wherein the left-back was Sam Hart #42. I have rarely seen a more inept display in that role. There is a huge vacant channel inside Hart and outside the left-side central defender. Omari Patrick is not tracking back to help - but I don't know if he was charged with doing so - maybe not. I will make a prediction. If Salford aren't managed by a dummy they will have picked up on this weakness. So if the Sutton lineup is unchanged Salford will attempt to attack down this channel. That is why I think Milson can do a defensive cover job in midfield. I think we would be a much nut to crack if Eastie and Milson were in front of the back 4?
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Post by baboonfish on Oct 2, 2023 21:30:28 GMT
It's a fair point though, that the communication and teamwork between the players on the flanks has been way below what it was in previous seasons. I know most of the goals conceded have come through the middle, which has been a huge weakness, but I think a lot of our problems come from lack of defensive shielding from the front. Randall, Ajiboye and Enzio did a lot of defensive work. I dont think our current crop of wingers is nearly as hard working defensively. Having a proper defensive/pressing forward made everyone's life easier, however. Matt's whole pressing system has fallen apart without one, and his stubbornness about developing tactics to address this are the reason the fanbase is no longer united behind him. He's shown a really worrying lack of tactical flexibility, especially going back to a 4-4-2 again at Crawley. Against a possession based side, we needed to play 3 centre mids because we dont have a pressing forward or wide players who are great at tracking back. I am sure we'll play 4-4-2 on Tuesday but that might not be such a bad call against a side we need to beat. However, first and foremost we need to stop the goals going in. I wasn't at Crawley but, against MK Dons, O'Brien was dropping into midfield, so we were 4-5-1 when defending. Did that not happen on Saturday? Against Dons we were playing 4-4-1-1 but when Dons equalized, Matt switched to a three man midfield. N'Guessian was playing very far forward, but then he dropped back with Eastie and Harry played in the hole, which was much more like a normal 3 man midfield and we looked much more solid for it. Not sure any of our forwards are really right for that linking striker role, hence why I'm a strong advocate for 4-3-3. O Brien and Angol aren't fast or physical enough for that role.
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