kpinwp
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Post by kpinwp on Oct 22, 2023 15:53:55 GMT
I don't think it's impossible that Matt can turn things around. But, given the evidence (and I'm taking timescale into account) I think it's unlikely. And that's not sufficient.
There is no absolute guarentee that a new manager will make things better. There never is. But there would be candidates worth looking at, and it would freshen things up in multiple ways. And it's the only real change that we can make.
We cannot afford to descend back into the National on a wave of gentle loyalty. We do have the players (just) to keep us up. I have seen a fair few not-very-scary opposition teams. Teams our players ought to be getting the better of, or at least be on par with.
There is a phrase; don't die wondering.
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Post by localboy86 on Oct 22, 2023 16:06:47 GMT
But there would be candidates worth looking at, and it would freshen things up in multiple ways. Whom are these candidates? I’m intrigued..
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Post by ggl on Oct 22, 2023 16:29:30 GMT
But there would be candidates worth looking at, and it would freshen things up in multiple ways. Whom are these candidates? I’m intrigued.. Intrigued is one word 🫣 , not one I would choose though ! Have you heard of that new idea called “ vacancy advertising “ ? Progressive I know but surely worth a shot don’t you think ?
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Post by Andy K on Oct 22, 2023 17:18:07 GMT
So you must say the same about Joe Kizzi then. Because the issues you suggest about Hart have been mirrored game after game with Kizzi. Or is this you just thinking one player isn't good enough? I accept your point that Joe has not been as effective this season as he was last season, but I haven't felt that U's were seeing players come through a gaping hole where Joe should have been - which is how I see it with Sam. I hope you agree U's right flank has not been as big an open route to goal as Us left flank. The collective highlights point that way. Having watched our performance, for example, in the first 25 mins at Swindon, I wholeheartedly disagree.
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Post by Andy K on Oct 22, 2023 17:24:30 GMT
What is crystal clear to me on this forum are two things . Firstly we all seem to like our manager as a person and are all extremely grateful for everything that he has achieved here and always will be . He is a club legend and I do not use that term lightly . The second is that there are now two camps on this website and on the terraces between those that think he should go and those that think he should be given more time . Personally I think he should go and go very soon , but even if he were sacked ( not likely because the board seem to be in denial of our plight ) I think we will still probably go down BUT at least it would give us a fighting chance of staying up . People ask who would want to manage SUFC , well I’m guessing there would be a queue of tried and tested managers and up and coming ones who would all see the potential our wonderful club has to offer ( including never getting sacked ! ). For me a new manager would bring fresh ideas , new tactics and training methods and hopefully lots of football contacts with which to tap into the loan market . What really disappoints me is this attitude that the next two games are lost already , why should they be ? If we as supporters feel this how many of the players feel the same too ? We all agree on paper we have players more than capable of being successful in this league , we’ll if that is the case then the problem is the manager and his tactics , training etc . A new manager with fresh ideas could change everything . We were all buoyed by the signing of Gape , even though he is not yet match fit , so imagine what a new manager would do for confidence …. especially for the players who are most in need of a lift . Except there are not "two camps". There is one united voice saying that what we've got so far this season isn't good enough. And on all honesty, suggesting the board are in denial of our plight is up there with the most stupid comments on this forum. On what evidence? Because they've not done what you wanted them to do. I tell you what, why don't you pop Bruce an email tomorrow telling him that you'll happily cover the cost of severance pay for Matt and Jason at the very least and also put in enough money to pay for a new management team to come in who invariably will end up costing more. I'm sure he'll be very happy to hear from you. Let us know what he says, ok?
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kpinwp
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Post by kpinwp on Oct 22, 2023 17:32:01 GMT
But there would be candidates worth looking at, and it would freshen things up in multiple ways. Whom are these candidates? I’m intrigued.. Well, try reversing that? You think there would be no-one applying worth looking at? We're a L2 club, not rich but financially stable with no tricky owners. If we moved swiftly, there would be two thirds of the season to make improvements. We generally agree that we do have some pretty decent players. Properly L2 standard. No-one worth having would apply? Really? Is this a failure of nerve, imagination or a level of pessimism with which I am unfamilar?
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Post by Andy K on Oct 22, 2023 18:33:55 GMT
Whom are these candidates? I’m intrigued.. Well, try reversing that? You think there would be no-one applying worth looking at? We're a L2 club, not rich but financially stable with no tricky owners. If we moved swiftly, there would be two thirds of the season to make improvements. We generally agree that we do have some pretty decent players. Properly L2 standard. No-one worth having would apply? Really? Is this a failure of nerve, imagination or a level of pessimism with which I am unfamilar? You expect we've had a number of enquiries about the management position. In the same way we get a number of enquiries from players wanting a trial. I expect the vast majority are chancers. I'm still haunted from the last time this happened almost exactly 15 years ago to the day. We employed a new manager with great credentials. He failed utterly. Also in the majority of situations, clubs have already picked a successor before they dispense with the services of the incumbent. The point of all of this is that we don't know what's going on behind the scenes, shouldn't know and will probably never know.
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Post by ggl on Oct 22, 2023 18:58:50 GMT
What is crystal clear to me on this forum are two things . Firstly we all seem to like our manager as a person and are all extremely grateful for everything that he has achieved here and always will be . He is a club legend and I do not use that term lightly . The second is that there are now two camps on this website and on the terraces between those that think he should go and those that think he should be given more time . Personally I think he should go and go very soon , but even if he were sacked ( not likely because the board seem to be in denial of our plight ) I think we will still probably go down BUT at least it would give us a fighting chance of staying up . People ask who would want to manage SUFC , well I’m guessing there would be a queue of tried and tested managers and up and coming ones who would all see the potential our wonderful club has to offer ( including never getting sacked ! ). For me a new manager would bring fresh ideas , new tactics and training methods and hopefully lots of football contacts with which to tap into the loan market . What really disappoints me is this attitude that the next two games are lost already , why should they be ? If we as supporters feel this how many of the players feel the same too ? We all agree on paper we have players more than capable of being successful in this league , we’ll if that is the case then the problem is the manager and his tactics , training etc . A new manager with fresh ideas could change everything . We were all buoyed by the signing of Gape , even though he is not yet match fit , so imagine what a new manager would do for confidence …. especially for the players who are most in need of a lift . Except there are not "two camps". There is one united voice saying that what we've got so far this season isn't good enough. And on all honesty, suggesting the board are in denial of our plight is up there with the most stupid comments on this forum. On what evidence? Because they've not done what you wanted them to do. I tell you what, why don't you pop Bruce an email tomorrow telling him that you'll happily cover the cost of severance pay for Matt and Jason at the very least and also put in enough money to pay for a new management team to come in who invariably will end up costing more. I'm sure he'll be very happy to hear from you. Let us know what he says, ok? I’ve got a better idea to raise the necessary funds . How about charge £10 a head to watch you stick your season ticket up where the sun does not shine ? This would generate more than enough money AND stop you talking out of it for a while .
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Post by sufc1898 on Oct 22, 2023 19:09:22 GMT
ggl - you really are pathetic
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kpinwp
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Post by kpinwp on Oct 22, 2023 19:50:42 GMT
Well, try reversing that? You think there would be no-one applying worth looking at? We're a L2 club, not rich but financially stable with no tricky owners. If we moved swiftly, there would be two thirds of the season to make improvements. We generally agree that we do have some pretty decent players. Properly L2 standard. No-one worth having would apply? Really? Is this a failure of nerve, imagination or a level of pessimism with which I am unfamilar? You expect we've had a number of enquiries about the management position. In the same way we get a number of enquiries from players wanting a trial. I expect the vast majority are chancers. I'm still haunted from the last time this happened almost exactly 15 years ago to the day. We employed a new manager with great credentials. He failed utterly. Also in the majority of situations, clubs have already picked a successor before they dispense with the services of the incumbent. The point of all of this is that we don't know what's going on behind the scenes, shouldn't know and will probably never know. I do understand. That was a dreadful time. And, also that there may well be things, or at the least conversations, going on behind the scenes that we are not going to be privy to. It would be ridiculous for a club to be run as a completely transparent organisation regarding this level of business. I simply fear that a board that is by nature patient might incline to over patience at this time. But we shall see, that is for sure.
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Post by Andy K on Oct 22, 2023 20:13:53 GMT
Except there are not "two camps". There is one united voice saying that what we've got so far this season isn't good enough. And on all honesty, suggesting the board are in denial of our plight is up there with the most stupid comments on this forum. On what evidence? Because they've not done what you wanted them to do. I tell you what, why don't you pop Bruce an email tomorrow telling him that you'll happily cover the cost of severance pay for Matt and Jason at the very least and also put in enough money to pay for a new management team to come in who invariably will end up costing more. I'm sure he'll be very happy to hear from you. Let us know what he says, ok? I’ve got a better idea to raise the necessary funds . How about charge £10 a head to watch you stick your season ticket up where the sun does not shine ? This would generate more than enough money AND stop you talking out of it for a while . You seem nice.
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Post by Andy K on Oct 22, 2023 20:14:45 GMT
ggl - you really are pathetic Throwing a tantrum because they don't get their way is never a good look.
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Post by os on Oct 22, 2023 20:28:56 GMT
You expect we've had a number of enquiries about the management position. In the same way we get a number of enquiries from players wanting a trial. I expect the vast majority are chancers. I'm still haunted from the last time this happened almost exactly 15 years ago to the day. We employed a new manager with great credentials. He failed utterly. Also in the majority of situations, clubs have already picked a successor before they dispense with the services of the incumbent. The point of all of this is that we don't know what's going on behind the scenes, shouldn't know and will probably never know. I do understand. That was a dreadful time. And, also that there may well be things, or at the least conversations, going on behind the scenes that we are not going to be privy to. It would be ridiculous for a club to be run as a completely transparent organisation regarding this level of business. I simply fear that a board that is by nature patient might incline to over patience at this time. But we shall see, that is for sure. I cannot say I know anything, but if you were to ask the board of any club if they were monitoring the performance of their 1st team manager, the answer would always be yes. Unlike the old days (NL Sutton) our current club board has new(ish) members who together hold the controlling interest in the club. It is they who are likely to make the decision as to whether Matt stays or goes. It has to be remember that those directors have invested a lot of money in getting the club to where it is. The decision they make will not be an easy one, they would have to offer any new manager new money for the transfer window, they may have to pay off Matt's contract, and may still get relegated. This is a tough one, and I am glad I don't have to make the decision, the one thing I know is that the board are on this.
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Post by garethl on Oct 22, 2023 20:50:17 GMT
I do understand. That was a dreadful time. And, also that there may well be things, or at the least conversations, going on behind the scenes that we are not going to be privy to. It would be ridiculous for a club to be run as a completely transparent organisation regarding this level of business. I simply fear that a board that is by nature patient might incline to over patience at this time. But we shall see, that is for sure. I cannot say I know anything, but if you were to ask the board of any club if they were monitoring the performance of their 1st team manager, the answer would always be yes. Unlike the old days (NL Sutton) our current club board has new(ish) members who together hold the controlling interest in the club. It is they who are likely to make the decision as to whether Matt stays or goes. It has to be remember that those directors have invested a lot of money in getting the club to where it is. The decision they make will not be an easy one, they would have to offer any new manager new money for the transfer window, they may have to pay off Matt's contract, and may still get relegated. This is a tough one, and I am glad I don't have to make the decision, the one thing I know is that the board are on this. Can you confirm on what authority you speak about who will be making the decisions off the pitch? You are speaking here as if it’s fact so I just wanted to be sure it is, and that it isn’t the case that in fact our newer investors aren’t investors who are happy to be helping/involved but still defer to our Chairman/CEO etc. Thanks in advance because this clarification is important.
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Post by os on Oct 22, 2023 20:53:10 GMT
I cannot say I know anything, but if you were to ask the board of any club if they were monitoring the performance of their 1st team manager, the answer would always be yes. Unlike the old days (NL Sutton) our current club board has new(ish) members who together hold the controlling interest in the club. It is they who are likely to make the decision as to whether Matt stays or goes. It has to be remember that those directors have invested a lot of money in getting the club to where it is. The decision they make will not be an easy one, they would have to offer any new manager new money for the transfer window, they may have to pay off Matt's contract, and may still get relegated. This is a tough one, and I am glad I don't have to make the decision, the one thing I know is that the board are on this. Can you confirm on what authority you speak about who will be making the decisions off the pitch? You are speaking here as if it’s fact so I just wanted to be sure it is, and that it isn’t the case that in fact our newer investors aren’t investors who are happy to be helping/involved but still defer to our Chairman/CEO etc. Thanks in advance because this clarification is important. I point out a genric case, the board will make their decision, and I suspect like every board, the CEO and Chairman will be part of that process.
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