kpinwp
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Post by kpinwp on Oct 23, 2023 10:45:29 GMT
Interesting that a match thread can extend to double its usual ap length when things aren't going well. Perhaps a fine example of the human psyche in that some only post or at least like to labour their opinions more during times of strife. Also interesting that most of the agitators (for want of a better description), hide behind meaningless usernames thus making themselves almost anonymous in the process. There also appear to be some statements that don't stand up, particularly about the club's finances. Are we stable? Perhaps, comparatively to other L2 clubs, but in terms of SUFC fiscal history,I would suggest based on the outlay on the new pitch, ground improvements etc, stable might be pushing it rather. A change of manager would indeed incur costs that would add considerably to the burden. Therefore, it's a gamble. Others have harked back to the 07/08 season for obvious reasons. The managerial change made no impression on the club's fortunes back then. As a long standing fan, I would rather those in charge don't jeopardise the club's long term future for a quick fix that may not actually end up being one. We need some cool heads at the moment and from what I have read on this thread they're are very few to be found on here at present. I would say the length of this thread is due simply to our egregious form, and peoples' deep concern. It's good that people care, surely? And one can hardly expect them not to worry, or to consider what solutions might be available. All of the potential solutions (Edit; Additionally, this only the Monday after the match. Personally it's going to take a very long time before I forget the three screw-ups that led to the opposition's goals) As to the user name; mine consists of my initials, 'in' refers to placement, and 'wp' = Worcester Park, where I was living at the time I created a user name on the forum. Although I'm now in Forest Hill. I hope that's transparent enough. Your sister was my former neighbour, Mark. Now that's not very anonymous, is it? There have been many years of posting on this forum praising the financial caution and acumen of the club/board, with very few (if any) naysayers. We are, notably, a club that do not spend beyond our means. Those posts and that evaluation did not cease when we undertook the financial burden of L2. So, yes, 'comparitively stable'. In football, at our level, that's probably the best you get. Yes, a change of manager would be a gamble and stretch finances. Risking allowing ourselves to sink back into the National would also be finacially disadvantageous. Except for a longer period of time. The 07/08 season is a warning, true. But the future is not all about 07/08.
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Post by dundas on Oct 23, 2023 10:50:37 GMT
I’m guessing they mean Marc White.. which isn’t going to happen as he doesn’t possess the coaching qualifications to enable him to coach in the EFL. No, meant Matt White, but it's just Matt Gray in a white cloak.
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markf
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Post by markf on Oct 23, 2023 11:50:55 GMT
Interesting that a match thread can extend to double its usual ap length when things aren't going well. Perhaps a fine example of the human psyche in that some only post or at least like to labour their opinions more during times of strife. Also interesting that most of the agitators (for want of a better description), hide behind meaningless usernames thus making themselves almost anonymous in the process. There also appear to be some statements that don't stand up, particularly about the club's finances. Are we stable? Perhaps, comparatively to other L2 clubs, but in terms of SUFC fiscal history,I would suggest based on the outlay on the new pitch, ground improvements etc, stable might be pushing it rather. A change of manager would indeed incur costs that would add considerably to the burden. Therefore, it's a gamble. Others have harked back to the 07/08 season for obvious reasons. The managerial change made no impression on the club's fortunes back then. As a long standing fan, I would rather those in charge don't jeopardise the club's long term future for a quick fix that may not actually end up being one. We need some cool heads at the moment and from what I have read on this thread they're are very few to be found on here at present. I would say the length of this thread is due simply to our egregious form, and peoples' deep concern. It's good that people care, surely? And one can hardly expect them not to worry, or to consider what solutions might be available. All of the potential solutions (Edit; Additionally, this only the Monday after the match. Personally it's going to take a very long time before I forget the three screw-ups that led to the opposition's goals) As to the user name; mine consists of my initials, 'in' refers to placement, and 'wp' = Worcester Park, where I was living at the time I created a user name on the forum. Although I'm now in Forest Hill. I hope that's transparent enough. Your sister was my former neighbour, Mark. Now that's not very anonymous, is it? There have been many years of posting on this forum praising the financial caution and acumen of the club/board, with very few (if any) naysayers. We are, notably, a club that do not spend beyond our means. Those posts and that evaluation did not cease when we undertook the financial burden of L2. So, yes, 'comparitively stable'. In football, at our level, that's probably the best you get. Yes, a change of manager would be a gamble and stretch finances. Risking allowing ourselves to sink back into the National would also be finacially disadvantageous. Except for a longer period of time. The 07/08 season is a warning, true. But the future is not all about 07/08. From your post above, you think I am meant to be able to work out that kpinwp means you used to live near my sister? I ain't that clever. And even with this revelation, I still haven't a clue who you are. Perhaps I will ask her.
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Post by davethegrave on Oct 23, 2023 12:43:29 GMT
Just got to look and I can't be bothered to read 8 pages of comments.
I would say though that we got punished in the end for pushing for a winner that we could all see was possible. In the end I think players were tiring and I was surprised there weren't more changes around the 75 - 80 minute mark.
To my mind it was an exciting game (I'm easily pleased) and would rather see a competitive game like that than one where we are getting hammered.
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billy
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Post by billy on Oct 23, 2023 16:06:40 GMT
🏆 National LeagueChampions: 2020–21
🏆 National League South Champions: 2015–16
🏆 Isthmian League Premier Division Champions: 2010–11
It's been an unbelievable few years for the club with many great games and moments.As someone who has followed it since we moved to the area around 1965 the thing that stands out for me when i look at the League 2/Division 4 table is that Sutton United are in it - and for a third year.As i leaf through the pages of the latest utilita (Rothmans) football year book Number 54 (and i have them all) i still have to pinch myself that Sutton United are now much nearer the front of the book! Let's all get behind Matt Gray,his staff and the team.
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kpinwp
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Post by kpinwp on Oct 23, 2023 17:05:31 GMT
I would say the length of this thread is due simply to our egregious form, and peoples' deep concern. It's good that people care, surely? And one can hardly expect them not to worry, or to consider what solutions might be available. All of the potential solutions (Edit; Additionally, this only the Monday after the match. Personally it's going to take a very long time before I forget the three screw-ups that led to the opposition's goals) As to the user name; mine consists of my initials, 'in' refers to placement, and 'wp' = Worcester Park, where I was living at the time I created a user name on the forum. Although I'm now in Forest Hill. I hope that's transparent enough. Your sister was my former neighbour, Mark. Now that's not very anonymous, is it? There have been many years of posting on this forum praising the financial caution and acumen of the club/board, with very few (if any) naysayers. We are, notably, a club that do not spend beyond our means. Those posts and that evaluation did not cease when we undertook the financial burden of L2. So, yes, 'comparitively stable'. In football, at our level, that's probably the best you get. Yes, a change of manager would be a gamble and stretch finances. Risking allowing ourselves to sink back into the National would also be finacially disadvantageous. Except for a longer period of time. The 07/08 season is a warning, true. But the future is not all about 07/08. From your post above, you think I am meant to be able to work out that kpinwp means you used to live near my sister? I ain't that clever. And even with this revelation, I still haven't a clue who you are. Perhaps I will ask her. Tell her Keiron says 'hi', if you do. She and her husband are absolutely top people. Very kind and helpful to me when I was looking after my late mother.
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Post by amberfc on Oct 23, 2023 17:35:07 GMT
🏆 National LeagueChampions: 2020–21 🏆 National League South Champions: 2015–16 🏆 Isthmian League Premier Division Champions: 2010–11 It's been an unbelievable few years for the club with many great games and moments.As someone who has followed it since we moved to the area around 1965 the thing that stands out for me when i look at the League 2/Division 4 table is that Sutton United are in it - and for a third year.As i leaf through the pages of the latest utilita (Rothmans) football year book Number 54 (and i have them all) i still have to pinch myself that Sutton United are now much nearer the front of the book! Let's all get behind Matt Gray,his staff and the team. And don't forget that Wembley final!
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Post by os on Oct 23, 2023 18:43:56 GMT
Let's all get behind Matt Gray,his staff and the team. Firstly I would say this thread is 8 pages long because people care about their club, and this appears to have split people into 2 camps, and caused a little animosity on route. I have given the subject some thought, and for what its worth (not very much), I think the club should stick with Matt at this time. Matt won this club its greatest ever accolade and took it to Wembley in a 'professional cup final', not amateur, not semi pro. I think that our league status is Matt's to secure or lose, and I back him 100% to do as well as anyone could. With that said, I think our summer recruitment for midfield players was simply to weak, and Matt has very few options to change things around, but the addition of Gape is a bit of a coup given there is no transfer window open.
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kpinwp
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Post by kpinwp on Oct 23, 2023 18:52:12 GMT
Paradoxically, my sincere hope is that the next few games prove me to be completely wrong.
The discussion is good on this forum. I know what OS means but I think there would have been a deal more animosity kicked up on many other clubs' forums. Grateful to everyone who has expressed a view. Let's hope we can discuss happier matters sooner than later.
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jr
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Post by jr on Oct 23, 2023 19:49:57 GMT
I rather enjoyed Saturday apart from the result. We played some really good football at times. It’s just a shame that the terrible defensive mistakes cost us.
I would probably give Hart MoM although difficult as he’s a defender and we conceded 3 but his attacking play was superb.
One thing I did notice is that our attacking players needed an extra touch which allowed Morecambe to close us down. You just can’t do that in this league.
Also is it a club official that supplies the stats to Flashscores or do they have someone at the ground? Have a look at the first half stats. They are so so wrong. We had at least 4 shots on target as their keeper made 3 good saves and several off target too. This isn’t the first time that the stats have been totally wrong. I’d rather they didn’t bother.
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Post by pinewalker on Oct 23, 2023 22:44:46 GMT
I accept your point that Joe has not been as effective this season as he was last season, but I haven't felt that U's were seeing players come through a gaping hole where Joe should have been - which is how I see it with Sam. I hope you agree U's right flank has not been as big an open route to goal as Us left flank. The collective highlights point that way. Having watched our performance, for example, in the first 25 mins at Swindon, I wholeheartedly disagree. I watched the Swindon highlights again and have to say there is a difference. Swindon run down their left wing twice and score. For the first goal Kizzi is never in shot, for the second he is sprinting back but too far behind the scorer. I do not know what the management instructions to Kizzi were, but I am guessing he is authorised as a full back to overlap. If he was - then there needed to be an agreed covering player in case the possession is lost with Kizzi stranded upfield. That was the failure, unless Kizzi wasn't supposed to overlap. Hart similarly does overlap (with more success), but it is not when he is stranded upfield that opponents come through the channel he is supposed to be defending. That happens when he is in shot but not in the right position. So no other player is supposed to be covering him at that point. I read other posts that commend Hart's attacking play, that does not detract from my argument that his defensive work at left back is poor. Creating one goal but being at fault for two isn't a good return. Play Hart as a winger if desired but put a full back behind him. Patrick plays on the left wing now, but with his all round game he might be better playing centrally and feeding off the target man.
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Post by Jared on Oct 24, 2023 4:26:51 GMT
But there would be candidates worth looking at, and it would freshen things up in multiple ways. Whom are these candidates? I’m intrigued.. If we act quick enough we can kidnap Danny Cowley and Stockholm Syndrome him into becoming our new manager
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Post by sufc18 on Oct 24, 2023 8:08:49 GMT
When we first secured promotion, Eastie gave an interview and was asked what was the main difference between the National and League 2. His answer was that in league 2 any mistakes would be punished. I guess we are now finding out the truth of that. Any slightly sloppy passes or players out of position are being taken full advantage of by the opposition. We didn’t suffer so much in the last 2 seasons as the players all knew each other well and could read play and communicate better between themselves. Hopefully this will improve quickly as the players get to know each other’s play and we’ll see a change in fortunes.
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Post by Stewart on Oct 24, 2023 9:14:06 GMT
I rather enjoyed Saturday apart from the result. We played some really good football at times. It’s just a shame that the terrible defensive mistakes cost us. I would probably give Hart MoM although difficult as he’s a defender and we conceded 3 but his attacking play was superb. One thing I did notice is that our attacking players needed an extra touch which allowed Morecambe to close us down. You just can’t do that in this league. Also is it a club official that supplies the stats to Flashscores or do they have someone at the ground? Have a look at the first half stats. They are so so wrong. We had at least 4 shots on target as their keeper made 3 good saves and several off target too. This isn’t the first time that the stats have been totally wrong. I’d rather they didn’t bother. According to the FotMob app we had nine shots in the first half four on target.
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