billy
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Post by billy on Feb 25, 2024 14:54:48 GMT
There are a dozen games to play, and yes, 36 points to play for.Let's hope the players don't give up like so many "supporters" in here have done.Some of them from very early in the season,not just predicting relegation but stating it as a fact. You could almost form the impression that these "supporters" will be happy to see Sutton United go down just to say they told us so right from the start.
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markf
Top Performer
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Post by markf on Feb 25, 2024 15:57:20 GMT
Being poor upfront does not give refs licence to be rubbish. Ref's being rubbish does not give us licence to blame them for our misfortunes. And please don't ask me to believe that that is not the point of some posters bringing the Refs' 'inadequacies' up. Match after match. Because I've been around this forum for a long time now and it really doesn't happen anywhere near as much when the team are actually doing well. Ref's getting stick on a football fan forum shock. Read all about it. For what it's worth, guy was ok yesterday, ok in comparison to a lot recently anyway. Used his cards well, wasn't sucked in by their no 16's antics and actually gave us a penalty for a handball less obvious than the Wrexham one. Once again though no consistency re the correct place for throw ins. His rather rotund assistant, who of course got some stick off la curva, missed two very obvious offsides in the first half. As for the match, very similar to most under Nr M so far. Competitive, loads of effort but still no win. Thought Steve Arnold was our motm yesterday. Like Dean the week before made some excellent saves. Also very good handling of crosses etc. Always thought when we finally did get a pen that we would probably miss it. The law of sod.
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kpinwp
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Post by kpinwp on Feb 25, 2024 16:03:04 GMT
I do. All the time.
Some people make cogent observations about the officiating of matches. Like your post, above, for example. But some other people just become excuse-clinging complainers.
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Post by paz on Feb 25, 2024 16:56:48 GMT
Being poor upfront does not give refs licence to be rubbish. Ref's being rubbish does not give us licence to blame them for our misfortunes. And please don't ask me to believe that that is not the point of some posters bringing the Refs' 'inadequacies' up. Match after match. Because I've been around this forum for a long time now and it really doesn't happen anywhere near as much when the team are actually doing well. Ok, just to be clear, If we are referring to the players and staff, then of course they cant mope around thinking of bad referees. I will agree with that, they need to crack on and work on what they have control over. But as a paying spectator, I think differently. Lets make up a scenario. We go to last game of the season. a poor team, no cutting edge up front and second from bottom because we have been a poor side most of the season. We must win 1-0 to stay up. We batter the team, hit the post 4 times. Then in the 95th minute have a shot in the box blocked by a persons hand, which is stone wall penalty. but the ref does not give it. Did we draw the game 0-0 because we were poor up front?, or did we draw the game 0-0 because we were poor upfront and we had a poor ref who cost us at the death? My answer would be the latter, and if it happened more and more then its a problematic situation.
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Post by os on Feb 25, 2024 17:10:21 GMT
There are a dozen games to play, and yes, 36 points to play for.Let's hope the players don't give up like so many "supporters" in here have done.Some of them from very early in the season,not just predicting relegation but stating it as a fact. You could almost form the impression that these "supporters" will be happy to see Sutton United go down just to say they told us so right from the start. I predicted we would struggle this season, the club at the moment lacks direction, seems aimless and going forward doesn't appear to have any robust plan. I fear for us in the National next season as well.
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kpinwp
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Post by kpinwp on Feb 25, 2024 17:13:57 GMT
Ref's being rubbish does not give us licence to blame them for our misfortunes. And please don't ask me to believe that that is not the point of some posters bringing the Refs' 'inadequacies' up. Match after match. Because I've been around this forum for a long time now and it really doesn't happen anywhere near as much when the team are actually doing well. Ok, just to be clear, If we are referring to the players and staff, then of course they cant mope around thinking of bad referees. I will agree with that, they need to crack on and work on what they have control over. But as a paying spectator, I think differently. Lets make up a scenario. We go to last game of the season. a poor team, no cutting edge up front and second from bottom because we have been a poor side most of the season. We must win 1-0 to stay up. We batter the team, hit the post 4 times. Then in the 95th minute have a shot in the box blocked by a persons hand, which is stone wall penalty. but the ref does not give it. Did we draw the game 0-0 because we were poor up front?, or did we draw the game 0-0 because we were poor upfront and we had a poor ref who cost us at the death? My answer would be the latter, and if it happened more and more then its a problematic situation. Presumably, on previous scenarios, we drew the game 0-0 because the Ref was on a backhander from the opposition? But, I do not understand. Why all the imaginative scenarios? Where we end up is the aggregate of all the events that take place during the course of the season. The vast majority of which are our responsibility. And luck evens out. Other than VAR for all decisions at all levels (which is still Ref based) what is your solution to this? Refs will sometimes make errors. So, what then? No Refs? Ultimately I don't see where this goes to.
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Post by garethl on Feb 25, 2024 17:30:40 GMT
There are a dozen games to play, and yes, 36 points to play for.Let's hope the players don't give up like so many "supporters" in here have done.Some of them from very early in the season,not just predicting relegation but stating it as a fact. You could almost form the impression that these "supporters" will be happy to see Sutton United go down just to say they told us so right from the start. I predicted we would struggle this season, the club at the moment lacks direction, seems aimless and going forward doesn't appear to have any robust plan. I fear for us in the National next season as well. Can you let us know why you think we are lacking direction or do you just make these broad brush statements because results arenāt great this season? Did we lack direction when getting promoted?
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Post by Andy K on Feb 25, 2024 17:34:55 GMT
Ref's being rubbish does not give us licence to blame them for our misfortunes. And please don't ask me to believe that that is not the point of some posters bringing the Refs' 'inadequacies' up. Match after match. Because I've been around this forum for a long time now and it really doesn't happen anywhere near as much when the team are actually doing well. Ok, just to be clear, If we are referring to the players and staff, then of course they cant mope around thinking of bad referees. I will agree with that, they need to crack on and work on what they have control over.Ā But as a paying spectator, I think differently.Ā Lets make up a scenario. We go to last game of the season. a poor team, no cutting edge up front and second from bottom because we have been a poor side most of the season. We must win 1-0 to stay up.Ā We batter the team, hit the post 4 times. Then in the 95th minute have a shot in the box blocked by a persons hand, which is stone wall penalty.Ā but the ref does not give it. Did we draw the game 0-0 because we were poor up front?, or did we draw the game 0-0 because we were poor upfront and we had a poor ref who cost us at the death? My answer would be the latter, and if it happened more and more then its a problematic situation.Ā My answer to this is simple. We should have been better over the previous 45 games as not to have been in that position.
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Post by os on Feb 25, 2024 18:00:37 GMT
I predicted we would struggle this season, the club at the moment lacks direction, seems aimless and going forward doesn't appear to have any robust plan. I fear for us in the National next season as well. Can you let us know why you think we are lacking direction or do you just make these broad brush statements because results arenāt great this season? Did we lack direction when getting promoted? Well what is the current direction, and what is the current plan? No, we did not lack direction in getting promoted a lot of work was put in over a great many years by many people to help make that happen.
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Post by garethl on Feb 25, 2024 18:08:43 GMT
Can you let us know why you think we are lacking direction or do you just make these broad brush statements because results arenāt great this season? Did we lack direction when getting promoted? Well what is the current direction, and what is the current plan? No, we did not lack direction in getting promoted a lot of work was put in over a great many years by many people to help make that happen. What was it in the National League? You think the work stopped?!!
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Post by ggl on Feb 25, 2024 18:18:07 GMT
There are a dozen games to play, and yes, 36 points to play for.Let's hope the players don't give up like so many "supporters" in here have done.Some of them from very early in the season,not just predicting relegation but stating it as a fact. You could almost form the impression that these "supporters" will be happy to see Sutton United go down just to say they told us so right from the start. I do not know where to start with this shite post because it made me so angry . Yes there are 36 points still to play for ( did you need a calculator or did mummy help with the maths ? ) but many of us supporters question how many of those we will actually get by the end of the season , not enough unfortunately I believe on current and past results and form . Now my believing this and accepting the likelihood of us going down does not make me any less of a āsupporterā than you matey . Just a realist . So accept that some of us have accepted what is likely to happen . We are not smug about it nor are we happy about it . Nor will we stop giving our support to the team and the manager because we are real supporters and not just āsupportersā as you so rudely claimed .
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Post by Del on Feb 25, 2024 18:34:52 GMT
There are a dozen games to play, and yes, 36 points to play for.Let's hope the players don't give up like so many "supporters" in here have done.Some of them from very early in the season,not just predicting relegation but stating it as a fact. You could almost form the impression that these "supporters" will be happy to see Sutton United go down just to say they told us so right from the start. I do not know where to start with this shite post because it made me so angry . Yes there are 36 points still to play for ( did you need a calculator or did mummy help with the maths ? ) but many of us supporters question how many of those we will actually get by the end of the season , not enough unfortunately I believe on current and past results and form . Now my believing this and accepting the likelihood of us going down does not make me any less of a āsupporterā than you matey . Just a realist . So accept that some of us have accepted what is likely to happen . We are not smug about it nor are we happy about it . Nor will we stop giving our support to the team and the manager because we are real supporters and not just āsupportersā as you so rudely claimed . I can assure you there are supporters who would like to go back to the Non league game but most of them are living in the past!
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Post by ggl on Feb 25, 2024 18:53:32 GMT
I do not know where to start with this shite post because it made me so angry . Yes there are 36 points still to play for ( did you need a calculator or did mummy help with the maths ? ) but many of us supporters question how many of those we will actually get by the end of the season , not enough unfortunately I believe on current and past results and form . Now my believing this and accepting the likelihood of us going down does not make me any less of a āsupporterā than you matey . Just a realist . So accept that some of us have accepted what is likely to happen . We are not smug about it nor are we happy about it . Nor will we stop giving our support to the team and the manager because we are real supporters and not just āsupportersā as you so rudely claimed . I can assure you there are supporters who would like to go back to the Non league game but most of them are living in the past! Iāve no doubt you are correct Del but I am certainly not one of them . The original post made me so angry because it inferred that people like me are not real supporters when nothing could be further than the truth . I think we are going down but I truly wish that we were not because I love this club being in the EFL .
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kpinwp
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Post by kpinwp on Feb 25, 2024 19:45:00 GMT
I can assure you there are supporters who would like to go back to the Non league game but most of them are living in the past! Iāve no doubt you are correct Del but I am certainly not one of them . The original post made me so angry because it inferred that people like me are not real supporters when nothing could be further than the truth . I think we are going down but I truly wish that we were not because I love this club being in the EFL . I will merely observe that the dismissive attitude displayed in that post, that you quite rightly take objection to, came as little surprise to me.
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Post by Andy K on Feb 25, 2024 20:01:57 GMT
Back to the match
We didn't score enough goals We let in a soft goal
Unfortunately that's been the story in every game with Steve Morison in charge. We're 9 games in and we've not won.
We needed 3 points more than at other games due to Colchester's proximity to us. We didn't get them. We needed 9 points out of our games v Colchester, Grimsby and FGR to cause maximum damage to others around us and give us a fighting chance. That's now impossible.
Whilst I've not totally given up hope, I'm starting to adjust to us playing National League football next season. Where my commitment to supporting Sutton won't change a dot.
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